posted 11-25-2003 04:34 PM         

On the info...Rambo is a COLBY pit I'm assuming. Which is his bloodline. Colby is the name of the dogman who bred the line. Colby dogs can be found in the pedigrees of almost any modern day APBT if you look back far enough. There are some Colby bred dogs today and it is most popular in the North East. Colby bred and sold many good dogs in his day.
Do you have the females pedigree handy? You should be able to see which Gator she is breed off of. There is Rodriguez' CH Gator ROM 4xw. He a RedBoy/Jeep dog and is by Tab ROM out of Irene, which makes him triple bred CH Jeep ROM. (RedBoy come down from Colby stuff) It should say on your pedigree there are other well known Gator dogs. Hughes CH Gator off Zebo and Lloyd's CH Gator a Double bred Boomerang dog.

The puppies will be Colby/Gator if he is even a pure Colby dog. I'd check it out there are lots of people here ripping other people off. This lady I know went to buy a dog from these people and they tried to charge $1500 for a dog they didn't even show her the pedigree just kept saying it was a Colby dog, just because they had A colby dog before that they bred into the rest of their stuff.

The difference is the different bloodlines and that many Colby dogs are bred for show and pull instead of gameness now days. They are mostly bred for looks. Some are still very game and game bred its just a common bloodline with show fanciers. Maybe you should have asked when you got the do, or better yet go back and ask them for more information and explaination. Post her pedigree if you'd like, maybe I could give you more info then.

Why do you believe he is an alpha male? just curios.

posted 11-25-2003 04:41 PM         

Also breeding DOES have to do with some of their temperment thats why people prefer different bloodlines, what works best for them, has the right abilities they are looking for and the temperment they are looking for. Gator dogs ARE some of the best, I guess some people say meanest but they really mean game/aggressive some of those Gator dogs are straight "crazy". I've been wanting some Gator blood for awhile to throw in with my other RedBoy/Jeep blood. The way a dog is bred can have a lot to do with how it acts, a game bred dog is more likely to have a will to fight than a cur bred one.

posted 11-26-2003 09:30 PM         

"Bloodlines really contribute to the dogs temperament?

Yes they do in many ways. Of course all dogs are individuals and may have a different personality, but different traits are prevelent in different bloodlines. A lot of time it has to do with the breeding on how a dog behaves. I know a few breeders breeding pull dogs down from the Whopper bloodline(Whopper was part bullmastiff with hung papers), these breeders dogs are bred off a piticular stud. All these dogs are shy and submissive, some even snap out of fear. Some of the dogs are inbred off this stud and those are worse, so dogs from that line have shyness/fear problems. Maybe whopper dogs in general aren't like this but the ones bred off thise stud are and they aren't really considered whopper bloodline and have some other lines mixed in they are the bloodline of this stud now. (Okay I hope I'm not confusing you are anybody else. Ex: You had Jeep dogs then his son Tab was a good producer so now some one will say they have a Tab bred dog, or like Gator bred dogs, same thing with this line only this dog isn't whoppers son or anything that close, he a little farther back in the ped aswell as some others) okay back on track these dogs are also very docile and weird acting for Pits. They are very strange and bizarre for dogs in general.
On a message board probably a couple years ago some people were discussing if Frisco dogs were shy. Some had cases of theirs being shy and others said there were just normal. I believe that shyness is prevelent in some of the frisco dogs depending on how they are bred, if you put two shy Frisco dogs together and continue with those and so on you get some shy dogs in those litters which would make people coming in contact with those believing frisco dogs are shy. Some people will say ALL but thats not really true which wasn't what I was trying to say, but bloodline and breeding has to do with some of how a dog acts. Turtlebuster dogs are considered hard biters, but I don't see ALL turtlebuster dogs having a hard mouth. Many do and its a nice way to add mouth to a line, but that doesn't mean all will have a hard bite. I myself prefer average bite, too many people are impressed with a hard biter, but most hard biters are never proven game because they detroy their opponents, when they do meet a dog who can test their gameness they may quit because they were never game just a hard biting cur.
I've have a pup from a repeat breeding, these dogs from this breeding produced game dogs but easy going dogs around other dogs. They don't go nuts just because they see another dog and can even interact with other dogs, but are still very game. They are also have a lot of drive and are very athletic. The pups from this litter as well as the last are like that. Its just the combo that works. The half sibling and the rest of that litter are nuts its a different cross, but I bet if the other breeding were repeated again the dogs would come out the same game, docile, athletic, ect. So not ALL dogs bred off this stud will be like that, but him to the same bitch produces consistently the same type of dogs and to other bitches bred like her possibly.
Gator dogs are usually very game and some can be punishing. Not all but those are the exceptions, even a cur gator dog is likely to be aggressive. I am still very interested in adding some of thise to my current stuff I may actually be doing so in the next 6 months

"My Colby was pretty mean at times (for no reason)." "The father to my Colby was a fighter. If we hadn't gotten him when we did, he would've suffered the same fate.... Don't get me wrong, he was a GREAT dog. Just a little ill tempered some times."

Could you please give a little detail on his ill temperment? Like what he did or how he was mean? Did he snap or growl, or snarl or just not want to be messed with? I'm perplexed as to why a game bred dog would be mean and have an ill temper? I'd also just like to know his actions, his actions could be the key to why he might have been that way.

"The 3 I have now are pretty submissive, & quite wimpy (unless a strange dog is around, then all 3 want to fight it)."

Those sound like average pits. Most are submissive to people and can sometimes get along with one another, but don't like strange dogs.

"My mother kept him in a kennel out in our back yard though. The 3 I have now stay inside, & go out to play or potty. Maybe that has something to do with the difference in these & my old Colby?"

I wouldn't say that was the reason. Many dogs are kept in kennels, but that doesn't make then mean. One of the breeders I bought a couple dogs from and who I've known for a long time prefers kennels when they can be used. The several he kept in kennels never became ill tempered they were like his chained dogs and his house dog. Basically the same. I couldn't even say the lack of socialization could have been a big problem with him because many of the Pits I have met weren't really socialized all that well but have no temp probs. It could be the case with him I guess. Maybe he had some type of imbalance or mental problem?

"Well, that or the fact that the Colby came from a fighter. Oh well, just shows what I know about bloodlines doesn't it? lol""

I'm puzzled with this comment. What would that have to do with his bad temper? If anything you would think he would be very stable and have a good temper if he were game bred. Petey from Our Gang never had a problem and he was around those kids for years and he was always around people and nobody had a problem with him or anything like that. He was sired by Tudor's Black Jack who is like a 16 time winner if I remember correctly and his mother was no slouch. A dogs breeding doesn't always garuntee a good specimen, even if that breeder always bred quality dogs and would cull a man biter or just a bad tempered dog it doesn't mean that there will never be a temper problem. Then again maybe one of those dogs did have a little bit of an ill temper but wasn't culled! What was his mother like? I'm still leaning towards an imbalance. Or did he have a health problem of some sort maybe? I'm not saying thats an excuse but some dogs, even good dogs will get grumpy if they are always in severe discomfort. Maybe if you could give a little more detail for me we could get to a conclusion?

Okay this is coming entierly too long...lol