PETA Kills Animals.... Employee's Arrested

No. I have just looked at a few of their campaigns and agreed with them. I don't give my $$ to them or any other org b/c I like to know exactly where my $$ is going. I'm sure the ppl at PETA make big salaries, but then again so do the ppl at the top of all the major 'nonprofit' organizations.

I'm young, 23, so I guess that has something to do with it. I'm very open-minded. Like I said, I liked some of PETA's campaigns. Some I have not, but I'm not going to attack the entire org b/c of that. If I did that I'd be one hateful person b/c every single group out there does at least one thing I don't necessarily agree with and they all have a few bad apples.

Oh, and that is not at all child abuse. I've seen child abuse. Trying to compare that to child abuse is absurd. Parents may not like it, and the kids may not like it, but it is not in any way, shape, or form abuse.

 

Child abuse comes in many forms, brainwashing a groupe of young children that are not your children that their parents or a parent is a murderer because of PETA's own opinions is a form of abuse, its called emotional abuse, maybe you wont understand that fully until you have a child who is being told by someone else through their own beliefs that you are a murderer.

Heres an update though on the proceedings against these two PETA employees.

PETA workers face 25 felony counts in North Carolina
By DARREN FREEMAN, The Virginian-Pilot
© October 15, 2005 | Last updated 11:24 PM Oct. 14



WINTON, N.C. — The cats and dogs two PETA employees have been charged with euthanizing and dumping in an Ahoskie garbage bin were killed by injections of pentobarbital, a barbiturate commonly used to put down animals, according to new warrants issued and served on Friday.

Additionally, the two employees were charged with three felony counts of obtaining property by false pretenses. The charges allege that they euthanized three cats from an Ahoskie veterinarian after promising to find the animals new homes, according to the new warrants.

PETA employees Andrew B. Cook, 24, of Virginia Beach, and Adria J. Hinkle, 27, of Norfolk, were served with warrants on 22 felony charges of animal cruelty and the three felony charges of obtaining property by false pretense in court on Friday.

A grand jury is expected to consider formal indictments Oct. 31, Assistant District Attorney Donnie Taylor said.

The new animal cruelty charges replaced 31 previous animal cruelty charges, which were dismissed.

The new warrants now include more information, such as descriptions of animals investigators found, the causes of death and – in some warrants – photographs of the dead dogs.

The new information was added to clarify the charges, which previously did not have such information as the cause of death, Taylor said.

The two employees are still charged with eight misdemeanor counts of illegal disposal of dead animals and one count of trespassing.

Both have been released on $35,000 bail, and PETA is paying their legal fees. PETA suspended Hinkle for 90 days and did not discipline Cook.

Police began investigating this summer after carcasses of cats and dogs in plastic bags were found in a supermarket garbage bin in Ahoskie every Wednesday for four consecutive weeks. At least 80 animals were found.

Officers say that on June 15 they followed a van after it left Bertie County’s animal shelter, then staked out the garbage bins and arrested two PETA employees.

The officers found 18 dead dogs in a bin and 13 other animal carcasses in the van, which was registered to PETA.

PETA had been picking up animals in northeastern North Carolina since 2001, when a caller informed the group of poor conditions in shelters, according to a written apology PETA President Ingrid Newkirk sent to Bertie County officials.

Bertie County and Northampton County officials and one Ahoskie veterinarian said they believed that adoptable animals would find new homes, while sick, injured and wild animals would be euthanized.

Newkirk has since said that dumping the animals into trash bins violates PETA policy.

PETA typically euthanizes animals in Norfolk and cremates the carcasses, Newkirk said in a June 17 press conference.

Newkirk said at the time that the animals found in North Carolina had likely been given a lethal injection of a barbiturate that PETA is licensed to use.

Bertie and Northampton officials cut ties to PETA pending trial.

The counties are now euthanizing animals without help from PETA.
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Using Pentobarb to euthanize an animal is humane, however throwing them into trash cans were they end up in land fills....the pentobarb stays in the body indefinately, until there is no body left, wildlife, including endangered eagles feed on the remains and there are documented cases of wildlife dying as a direct result of being poisoned by pentobarb.


And heres are some statistics and facts about their PETA.

Heres a lit of celebs (including Paul McCartney who support PETA but also support, fund or have used, themselves, drugs that are tested on animals.

http://aidsresearcher.typepad.com/finda ... llywo.html

And here are a couple of facts.

http://www.huntersunite.com/peta.htm

Guilty of being hypocrites.

PETA claims animal research is useless to the medical field, but their Vice President, Mary Beth Sweetland, has no problem injecting insulin to help control her diabetes. She claims that she is not a hypocrite, but she needs her life to continue fighting for animals.
In 1999, PETA euthanized 1,325 of the 2,103 animals it took. PETA claimed that euthanizing the cats was much kinder than leaving them in the streets. PETA made the statement that a quick painless death is much better than a slow painful one. However, when hunters or farmers talk of quick painless ways of killing animals, PETA calls them barbarians and claim no animal death is justified.

Brainwashing children.

They have committed to the use of propaganda in elementary schools, claiming they can influence the foundation of children's beliefs to make it easier to persuade them as teenagers and adults. They use scare tactics, and unethical methods of convincing children milk and meat is bad.


Donate your money to PETA?....see where it goes.....

Spends more on promoting themselves than on animals.

In a 1992 report by the NCIB, National Charities Investigation Bureau, PETA spent 42% of its organizational expenses on fundraising. Only 20% on actual research and investigation in to animal cruelty.
More current reports examining PETA's tax filings have shown as little as 1% of PETA's total revenue actually goes directly to helping animals; usually small donations to animal clinics or similar organizations. PETA's 2001 tax filings show some interesting donations:
Compassion Unlimited Plus Action - Bangalore - Donation - $11.11
PETA Research & Education Foundations - Donations $29.16
In Defense of Animals - Donation $71.11
Virginia Police Defense Fund, Norfolk Police Union - Donation - $150
Society for Abolition of Animal Exploitation - Donation - $150
Kalamazoo Animal Liberation League - Donation - $150
Vieques Humane Society - Donation - $25
SNAP - Donation - $50,000
PETA's donations totaled only $206,655.58, but they had a total revenue of almost $14 Million.

PETA spent the following on

PETA TV - Expense - $13,268.84
Electronic equipment, computers, cameras - Expense- $33,869.24
Automobiles - Expense - $148,362.02
SNAP Vehicle - Expense - $150,000.00
Buildings and improvements - Expense - $295,101.60 (After a $195,000 donation of property)
Land - Expense - 94,170.00
It makes one ask the questions, what is PETA really about? Why do they choose to spend more money on promoting themselves than actually helping animals?

And heres the Peta kills animals website.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

In 2003 PETA killed about 85% of its animals, the Norfolk HSUS adopted out 73% of its animals.
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PETA also advocates BSL's and wants every Pit BUll 'on the planet' to be euthanized.

If you want to donate money to help animals then donate to a local charity that really does need the money and will use everything they have to rescue homeless and injured pets.

 

I WILL NOT POST WEB ADDRESS for this but if anyone wants to see it pm me and I send you the web address ( it's way to graphic to post it here ). And it's not marked as being graphic so any one can see it even kids ( which I think is down right SICK ). It shows how they get fur from animals and PETA wants kids and everyone to see it. I WON'T let my daughter see this ( skinning a live animal ), my daughter loves animals and this would kill her to see it. I know this goes on but my god PETA needs to make it plain that this is graphic ( was sent to me by a friend whose daughter came upon it ).

 

They want it to be graphic b/c that is what gets people's attention. Maybe if people see where their pretty fur really comes from, how it gets from the animal to the store, they won't want it.

They are not brainwashing anyone, they are showing people the truth. Showing ppl the truth isn't abuse. If it upsets your kid, it should. That is the freaking point. B/c then maybe your kid won't want chicken for dinner. Is that really that bad? Even if you do think it is that horrible, I don't see how you can lump it into the category of child abuse, which is when children are beaten, raped, molested, murdered, starved, etc. That is child abuse. They are not even in the same ball park. There is annoying, then there is abuse. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Everyone screams Abuse! abuse! then when some kid actually is ABUSED, no one really cares b/c they here about so much 'abuse', they think oh another one, that's too bad.

Peta is an independent org and they can do whatever they want with their money. I'm sure the humane association, red cross, etc. all do questionable things with their money. I know like every other week I get stupid address labels from the aspca that I don't ask for nor pay for? I don't know what peta's real purpose is other than to make advertising campaigns that show the reality of animal abuse. I think they are good at that. Whatever else they do with their money, I could care less b/c it is not my business and I don't give them any money.

I just don't see why you all can't find ONE thing about PETA that is good. Are you all for animal abuse? Do you think it is OK to wear fur?

 

The whole point is that they need to lable it graphic before people see it and there is such a thing as mental abuse to the children which can forever scar them . I do not support the fur industry but I do not support a group like PETA that wish to stop pet ownership . Yes PETA and seemingly you are vegan . That is your s and their choice . They should not be forcing that on others who do not choose to be vegan or try to force people to stop owning pets .


With what truely is animal abuse PETA or any with a heart should be upset and take steps to asure justice is served within the justice system . When pet owners who care for their animals and love them like their own children and PETA and other like minded groups still accuse them of animal abuse then they go to far and disrupt peaceful families . It is wrong and I would rather support groups that are not so radical they can not see past their own noses . and that includes the HSUS , Animal Aid , RSPCA and the ALF !

 

Just for clarification of what psychological abuse is.

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Ps ... ical_abuse

When this is caused to a child it is in every sense child abuse, The physical effects of being beaten or sexually abused as child in most cases will go away in time, the emotional abuse (or mental abuse or psychological abuse...whatever word you use boils down to basically the same thing, the state of the mind) will most likely never go away.
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PETA's frightening of young children by equating, or even associating, truly disturbed behavior such as mutilation of a family pet with common everyday practices such as eating hamburgers amounts to nothing less than ideological child abuse.
Indeed. Laying huge guilt trips on easily impressionable kids because they are the omnivores millions of years of evolution created them to be, rather than the vegans PeTA's ideology dictates everybody should be, amounts to nothing less than psychological abuse.

http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/animal_ ... trati.html

And "Your mommy kills animals" campaign.....

The fliers include a color drawing of a woman plunging a large bloody knife into the belly of a terrified rabbit. The fliers urge kids to "ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her fur clothes."
And the sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from mommy - she's an animal killer.
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I agree that teaching about animal abuse should start at a young age but there are right ways and wrong ways to do it. To show a young child graphic pictures of rabbits and chickens having theyre throats slit and being told their mother is a killer because their mother does that is psychologically damaging to a child.....if its not then why is that after an anti-abortion protester shoved a graphic poster of a mutilated aborted fetus in front of my child and yelled at her that "your mother is going to do this to your baby brother/sister" (when we were actually going into hospital to have her cast removed from her previously broken arm) that she had nightmares about it for months afterwards, that she actually asked me if I had murdered her baby brother/sister....but that had no psychological effect on her right???...yeah right!!!!

So what happens after these kids go home from school after 'storytime with PETA', mom and dad arent about to become vegetarians so the kid sits down to a plate of hamburger and fries....day in and day out, he sees dad in his leather jacket every day, sees the fridge full of dairy products and the medicine cabinet full of pills and what about colouring with those crayons, what do you think is happening in that kids mind, hes too young to actually do anything about it, still needs mom and dad, still needs to eat....he starts to feel bad about himself....the feelings are there every time he eats, every time he looks at mom all he can think of is that shes a murderer....and he gets older and by now he really hates himself, no self confidence, years of confusion, anger that have built up in his head....theres got to be a release at some point the only real question here is who does he release it on, himself, his mom, dad, girlfriend, his own kids, hows his job situation these days, cant hold a job down because he has no self respect, he's evil inside ....thats what PETA told him all those years ago, he's evil because he eats meat.....sounds a ´bit crazy'? maybe a bit far fetched? If someone calls an adult evil because they eat meat they have the maturity to deal with it, its unlikely that they will believe they are evil but if you tell that to a little kid....well its a bit like the abusive parent telling the kid over and over again that he's stupid, that he's an idiot....as a kid you will believe it if your told it enough times.

There are so many reported cases of violence being worse these days, much more brutal in children (causing it) as a direct result of their access to graphic violent and pornagraphic movies, graphic violent computer games, access to graphic websites that show pictures of people being tortured, raped and murdered. You think showing them animals in the process of being slaughtered with the own mothers being accused of being the killer is the right way to teach them its wrong....??
No, sure there will be some kids that are so sickened by what they see they will never go near a piece of meat again and then there are the kids that will become terrorists, blowing up labs and butchers shops.....and what about those kids that find the gore fascinating.....the next seriel murderers....kind of like the 2 10 year olds a few years back that kidnapped, tortured and then murdered a 2 year old after watching a series of horror movies that they had access to, Chlds Play being their favourite, their fascination with blood and guts had one of them torturing and killing puppies beforehand....had the reverse effect on them. Seeing this stuff doesnt always put them off.

To say that by not agreeing with what PETA does is saying that animal abuse is okay, that is so wrong. PETA is a terrorist organization (terrorism=The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.),
they are hypocrites, they are liars, they are theives and they are in every sense of the words, child abusers.

Just my opinion.

 

If your child or any other child gets scarred for a lifetime b/c of what they see from PETA, they have other serious issues. You cannot possibly link a child seeing some PETA ad and then being forever disturbed. You cannot shield a child from everything. If you do, when they reach adulthood and are no longer protected from everything, and reality hits them in the face, then your going to have problems. More problems than you are going to have from them seeing a PETA ad.

My whole thing is, I'm against animal abuse in all forms. I don't think there is nearly enough attention being brought to animal abuse. I don't know of any other organization that brings attention to it. That is why I don't think PETA is that bad. I do NOT agree with everything they say, obviously, b/c I own pets and no one is going to tell me I can't own them. But I appreciate that they draw attention to the abuse b/c as far as I have seen, no one else is. Fur is murder - and if a PETA ad turns one person against fur, then more power to them. That is that many less animals skinned alive. And if one person becomes a vegetarian or vegan, then a job well done.

They do it in graphic ways, and they do it in fun ways.

The World's Sexiest Vegetarians! That was one of their recent campaigns. How was that bad? There was no blood and guts anywhere, just showing famous ppl that are vegetarians. Do you see something wrong with that????????????

And yes, I am as vegan as I possibly can be. It is difficult b/c the food industry puts animal products in almost everything but I try. Personally, I don't know how anyone can say they truly love animals and still eat meat/hunt/wear fur/leather, etc.? Talk about hypocrites.

 

I love animals. I eat meat. I think you just heated up the discussion a notch :wink:

Offcourse I would love to see a HUGE improvement in how animals are treated in the food industry. The best would be if every man hunted for himself (but I don't see that happening, I know I wouldn't last long if it did). Animals hunt eachother, humans are animals so I don't see anything wrong in that. But I'm against hunting as a sport, and offcourse I'm against killing animals just for their fur.

 

I've seen part of that ad where a pair of vegans have sex in a sleeping bag on a downtown street to prove they are as good at lovemaking as meat eaters. HOW SICK IS THAT?

 

If you recognize that animals are treated poorly in the food industry, how could you support them by buying their meat products? I know there are several members on this board who claim to have cousins/aunts/uncles/whoever that owns a meat processing facility/cattle farm/whatever and they treat the animals nicely - BS!

People eat meat today because of greed/gluttony - not to sustain themselves. At least not americans - maybe if you lived in east africa or something. People know that eating fruits/vegs/soy is much better for their health but they continue to eat massive amounts of animal meat which is very BAD for you. ? some here want to claim that it is good for you - um.....NO! Soy, and veg. protein is much better for you. May not taste as good I'll admit, but oh well.

LOL. We're better actually. Have much more stamina! There is no searching for things through all the rolls, etc.

What are you upset about here????? That PETA is exposing your innocent children to sex!!!!!!!!! OMG! To think that an org would use SEX to sell their message - that is just preposterous.

 

Aaaannnd there goes the seriousness of this debate!!!! :lol:
Hmmm...I dont have any rolls of fat and theres never been a lack of stamina....except when I had pneumonia but I think Im allowed an occasinal week off...., my sister on the other hand, who was a vegetarian for about 15 years then went vegan is about 15-20# overweight and has been for about 10 years now, about 5 years ago she developed asthma, her youngest son also has it.....tests were done to find the cause/allergies the doctors said it was due to the pesticides that are sprayed all over the fruit crops near her house. Its not the meat that bad for you its the hormones and antibiotics thats in it.

I havent seen the ad so I can only go by what Ive read about it, Im assuming theres a little sarcasm there.....so maybe its about time us parents started exposing our young children to pornography and graphic pictures of blood and guts so that they dont have nightmares and grow up psychotic when an organization like PETA comes in and forces their ideology down their throats.

I used to belong to an extremist animal rights group long before PETA ever came on the scene, I quit 'hanging out' with them after they killed one of their members in a protest and then I found out that they almost burned a pharmacist to death after they threw a molly through the pharmacy window one night.....who knew they guy stayed behind to do a stock take!!!! But talk about hypocricy....I went to work there just voluntary and I saw the way the animals were treated.....Ive seen better treatment of dogs in over-run puppy mills that 'specialize' in in-breeding and lack of socialization...but hey...as long as the money kept on rolling into the organization and they had their nice big house in the country and everyone drove around in nice new trucks every other year!!!!!

 

Years ago when I was still in my wildhood I dated a vegan. I hate to burst someone's bubble but when it comes to romance vegans aren't better lovers, or at least she certainly wasn't even though she thought she was. I will admit that I haven't had a great deal of experience with vegans, but from the one I dated, what I've seen from PETA's site and one of my relatives that's vegan they seem to suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Also being overweight really has nothing to do with whether you eat meat or are vegetarian. The three main generally accepted medical causes are genetics, improper thyroid function and just not knowing when to put the fork down.

 

There actually was a lot of sarcasm there. You all need to lighten up.

Justification - it's a powerful thing!

kc5gvn - Causes of obesity - do you homework! Genetics is not a cause - unless you have some rare syndrome - but genetics, again, is NOT a cause. This is an EXCUSE! Thyroid problems - maybe - in like 1% of the population - but even then it is not the real cause! Number 3! Yes and no. Obviously if you eat giant quantities of anything you are going to be obese. But it has more to do with what you eat. WHAT you eat. There are many factors involved, such as fiber and energy density. It is difficult to overeat broccoli - why? B/c it is high in fiber and has low energy density. You eat it - it fills you up - you are satisfied. It is very, very easy to overeat bacon - why? NO fiber, high energy density. You can eat and eat and eat it and still be hungry. Why is this the case? B/c we're not really supposed to be eating so much bacon-like foods. We're meant to be eating fruits/vegetables/etc.

Delusions of grandeur - hypocricy (sp?) ???????????

Hmmmmm.................we're better than PETA, all ppl of PETA are crazy, we really love animals, eating them is good, blah blah blah.

 

Boy, I REALLY hate to get involved in this, but here goes.

You are disseminating inaccurate information when you say:

"Genetics is not a cause - unless you have some rare syndrome - but genetics, again, is NOT a cause. This is an EXCUSE! Thyroid problems - maybe - in like 1% of the population - but even then it is not the real cause!"

You would probably be a much more effective debater if you stuck to facts. I am not, nor will I pretend to be, an expert in this issue. Yet I do recall reading numerous articles over the last few years linking various genetic factors to obesity. I probably would have paid more attention if I were obese.

I DO, on the other hand, have personal knowledge and interest in thyroid disorders, and the comment above is extremely uninformed. As a person recently diagnosed with a thryoid disorder, I have just begun researching this important gland, but it has already become abundantly clear that I will likely face serious difficulties removing unwanted weight in coming years. (Based on the many testimonials, articles, and books widely available)
I am not going to give a dissertation on how the thyroid functions in the body here, but I would like to suggest you walk a mile in somebody else's shoes before you are so stunningly dismissive in the future.

 

It is a fact. For the overwhelming majority of the population, obesity is a result of taking in more calories than you regularly burn. That is it.

Genetics is NOT a cause. Genetics plays a role in your metabolism, etc. It can make it easier for you to gain weight, harder for you to lose weight, etc. But in the end, it comes down to what you put in your mouth, how much you put in your mouth, and if and how much you exercise. These things have nothing to do with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse.

The thyroid issue, I put that out there b/c most ppl who are obese do not have thyroid issues. I don't know the exact statistics but my guess is that it is relatively small. But even then, it is not the cause. Like you said, it makes it more difficult and such. If it was the cause, you would be obese b/c of your thyroid disorder. My grandmother has a thyroid disorder, she is not obese - b/c she limits what she eats and gets regular exercise.

This really has nothing to do with the original discussion.

Just fyi:
I didn't become a vegan b/c of the health benefits (although there are MANY). I did it b/c I care about animals and one day I was bored and started researching the meat/food industry. Some of the stuff I saw came from PETA, most of it came from other sources. I was appalled at what goes on in meat processing facilities and at the farms, etc. It is disgusting. I think that if you really knew where your meat came from you wouldn't eat it. These animals are abused from birth to death. Most never leave their cages. They are fed steroids and other concoctions to grow bigger than normal. Then they are slaughtered, without the use of any sort of anesthesia/sedation/pain control. That is how they get to your plate. And no one is really even appreciative of it. It never even crosses ppls mind that that nicely wrapped package of chicken strips came from a chicken who had his beak cut off, was locked in a cage his whole life, and then had his throat slit. That is the tragedy of it all. No one even cares. You all, of all people, who are animal lovers, deny that it even happens. You bash one of the few organizations who actually sheds light on what is happening. You may not like how they do it, but at least they are doing something.

 

Since my thyroid issue has nothing to do with the regular discussion, I'll just say that I am not yet at the point in my disease where I would be fat. (Grave's disease = hyperthyroid to the point of being very bad for your body. Cure = kill thryoid so you become essentially hypothyroid - that is, your body does not create the hormones anymore that it would with a healthy thyroid)

So if I become fat now, it WOULD be because of my disease. And you made a sweeping assumption without enough knowledge of the facts.

But yes, of course, anybody will agree that, in general, the best mode of weight loss is to eat well and exercise. To take in less calories than you burn. Duh.

I was just suggesting you be less definitive in your statements/judgements, because there is little that is "always" or "never" in this world. Don't you want people to listen to you and be convinced by your arguments? They never will be if you continue to use this style.
Any valid points you do make will be dismissed.

 

Actually, I have done my homework and thank you for helping to prove my points.
With regard to the original discussion about hypocrisy, I would like to know what vegetable Salmon fish oil is derived from.

 

:wink: I was going to leave this topic alone....but....

got batteries? drive a car? use sugar? crayons? cereal (dont forget the inner and outer packaging)...ever taken a pain killer or antibiotic? smoke? drink alcohol? ever taken a flight anywhere? watched a rocket zooming off into space? been on a train? had surgery...of pretty much any kind? socialize with anyone in the military? or been in the military? your pet ever needed any medical treatment? surgery? and what about those veterinarians? ever wondered were they learn their sugical techniques, it wasnt on a computer....it wasnt even on accidentally injured pets.!!

(if only we could all be so perfect)

check out this site....

http://www.cyberparent.com/eat/hiddenanimalsinfood.htm

Ive donated money to animal rights groups, my favourite was a woman in UK, she succeeded in getting some laws changed in Europe to ban a couple of rituals in other European countries, she rescued hundreds of donkeys, goats, ponies, dogs and cats, (this was just one person), she got the evidence she needed, she got her petitions signed, she protested peacefully and she was well respected. She got the laws changed without breaking the law herself, without blowing up buildings and cars, without causing injuries to anyone and without showing graphic pictures to young children....oh and without killing any animals herself.

So why is PETA so often not taken seriously....
because of their methods,
because all these so called animal loving celebs that fund them and rally with them.....youve only got to look at the other charities they rally for and fund to see the hypocricy,
because they advocate killing every Pit Bull on the planet,
because they 'rescued' pets from a shelter to rehome them and killed 85% of them when the shelter they 'rescued' them from adopted out 75%....and the list goes.

Celebs would do much better by withdrawing financial support for PETA and funding the companies that DO NOT do any animal testing or use animal products and making sure THAT gets publicized....consumer spending is how companies make their money, big names sell. Thats the one thing that will change the minds of companies in their production policies.

As for genetics and obesity, this research is only in its infancy, over 250 genetic links are currently being tested....the verdicts not in yet on all of them and its going to take years, possibly decades to get accurate, solid results.

 

This is really amusing me. I don't know how you all can be so ignorant about certain things. I assume you two are probably fat since this seems to be a sore spot for you both. I'm sorry you're fat but it is b/c you ate too much and didn't exercise enough, not b/c of your genetics or thyroid.


About the salmon oil - I assume you are referring to what I give to my dogs? I don't take it myself. My dogs are not vegans b/c that is not healthy for dogs b/c they are naturally carnivores. I'm not really sure how that is being hypocritical seeing as though I never said my dogs were vegetarians? but if you want to see it as such, and I'm sure you do, go right ahead.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - you are too much!

Think what you want, I don't care. *bows down* You know everything, elizavixen. Nobody but you can add anything to an intelligent discussion.