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got a couple of queations

Discussion in 'Dogs - Pit bull breeds specific' started by qnapr, Feb 21, 2005.

  1. qnapr

    qnapr New Member

    I got a pup very friendly love that the fact he is and will keep him that way. But i wanted to now how can i teach him to attack on command when i play with him and the towel all he wants to do is hump it and he rather bite me fingers then anything eles. I tell him watch it and just sits there. KNOW BEFORE ANY BODY STARTS THINKING I WANT MY DOG TO BE MEAN NO WAY I JUST WANT HIM TO NOW WHEN TO PLAY AND WHEN TO ATTACK. WHEN I TELL GO PLAY WHITH HIM/HER HE WILL OR IF I NEED HIM TO ATTACK HE WILL! I NOW A DOG WILL PROCTECT HIS/HER OWNER NO MATTER WHAT BUT I SEEN HOW A COUPLE HAD PROFESSIONAL PLANT CAMERAS IN THE HOUSE AND HAD TO PEOPLE BREAK IN TO SEE HOW THE DOGD REACTAND THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING BUT PLAY WITH THE ROBBERS! SO IF ANYONE COULD GIVE ME GOOD ADVISE PLEASE WRITE
     
  2. BronxthePit

    BronxthePit New Member

    %95 of the responses you are going to get on this board is going to be"you should never teach your pit bull to attack...blah blah blah"

    Can you do it? absolutely ...sure

    should you perhaps consult a liscensed prefessional? absolutely sure

    what i will say is that you shouldn't be looking to teach a 'puppy' anything like that.wait until he/she is mature (year 1/2 to two years old). The puppy will need to MASTER basic commands(including STOP even when it wants something). Then at that point, if you still choose to, Consult a Licensed professional not annonymous people on a message board. Its not exactly something you can Tutorialize over the web. Afterall It can be a dangerous thing if done wrong.....
     
  3. True_Pits

    True_Pits New Member

    I think you should have git a guard dog breed if you wanted a guar dog, teaching dogs attack on command doesn't mean they will guard your house either if someone breaks in. If you want to protection train your dog then you have a long way to go and a lot of work to do, this is the wrong place to find that info, you need to contact a trainer to train YOU and your dog which requires advanced OB training up to the bite work and man stopper training, ect. Not sure what you expect to find here as this is an APBT mostly for pets not people doing protetion work, there are protection/guard training boards out there. Maybe someone has a contact in your area.
     
  4. Shineillusion

    Shineillusion New Member

    I'm not going to tell you that you should never train a Pit for protection work. But I am going to suggest that you can't have it both ways. Once a dog is trained for protection work, his mind set is different than the normal but naturally protective family pet.

    Protection work is serious business, not to be undertaken lightly. Once a dog has been trained that it's alright to override their natural inhibition to bite (yes,they do have an inhibition to bite), you have an animal that is potentially as dangerous as a loaded gun. Do you really want that liability? Can you afford the personal liability insurance you need...provided you can even find an insurance carrier that will cover you? If you don't have liability insurance, are you prepared to lose everything you own should your dog bite someone? Even if that someone richly deserves to be bitten, the chances are excellent you're going to get sued.

    I'm also going to suggest you think about the damage a Pit is capable of inflicting, compared to, say, a German Shepherd or Doberman. Are you prepared to accept the responsibility for the damage your dog may inflict on someone?

    If that someone dies from their injuries, are you prepared to be prosecuted for anything up to, and including, murder? Can you afford thousands of dollars in attorney fees? Can you afford to be a convicted felon? Can you afford to go to prison?

    Like I said, protection training is serious business with HUGE responsibilities and HUGE liabilities. Think long and hard about it before you undertake training your dog for protection work. Then stop and think some more.
     
  5. True_Pits

    True_Pits New Member

    Okay I wasn't really done with my post it was just a short sum up.

    Your dog will need to first be evaluate to see if it has the correct temperament for this type of training, most APBTs don't have it in them to be a success, not that they aren't a stable and intellegent breed, but their are certain drives and understandings they may sometimes lack, this goes for any breed even a German Shepherd, not all dogs are cut out for it.
    You should start some with training from puppyhood, one major factor in training is going to be the release, if you can't ge the dog to release then your dog is not capable of being properly trained. before training to bite you want to train to release, when your playing with your puppy you want to teach it to release on command, this will come in handy later when the dog starts it actual protection training. This might be something hard for the dog to do, against its bulldog instincts, but the dog has to be reliable and listen. For most APBTs release isn't really something they like to do, its in their nature to grab and hold and shake the prey until it stops moving and even still some will continue violently even if the prey animal is dead (or they attack a dead prey animal or pick up a "lifeless" toy, they still hold and shake it), you don't ever want a situation like this with a person being the target. Even a dog like the Belgian Mal who is used in this sort of work, many have a lot of drive and don't get the "out" or release command down so they fail out and can't be trusted with this training. Most APBTs loose focus once the "fight" instincts kicks in and your commands, yells, or beatings. (even axing as we read in the article posted here). So you want to make sure your dog fully recognizes your command and can focus on your voice.
    Like mention before OB training is a must, this is more then just basic OB and more then what you need for a house pet, its serious OB and the dog must listen withouth fault. The dog goes past basic OB and can even work off lead with full recall capability.
    Another one of the hardships will be finding a good trainer, many trainers SCREW UP your dogs, they don't know what they are really doing and have bad training methods, you end up with a dog thats scared of everything or very aggressive their goes your OB training and hard work.
    It also might be a good idea to find someone who has been working with many breeds and maybe a little familiar with APBTs, make sure they have been succesful and have a good track record.
    The training isn't a one time thing, you have to be dedicated, because you will need handler sessions as well as sessions training your dog and the dog will need to be put through his paces periodically to keep it "sharp" this includes the OB and bite work. So it takes time, dedication and money.
    You also want to check your local laws/ordinaces, many cities have restrictions on attack/guard trained dogs. They might require you to purchase extra liablility insurance, register with the city and even comply to "dangerous" dog laws. In most places their is the "one time free bite" law which means your dog can bite one time without being put down, if it ever bites again well its PTS no questions as and you are in a lot of trouble for not properly containing your dangerous dog because it has shown dangerous propensity, but for most attack trained dogs this doesn't apply. Now "self defense" (the dog attacking in your defense) isn't included in this, but if for some reason the dog were ever to bite without due cause it would be PTS no matter that it is only the 1st bite.
    Its hard enough finding an insurance company to carry you with an APBT, but its pretty hard to find one that carries attack/guard dogs (of any breed) sometimes you have to purchase extra liability insurance as they fear being sued if you ever have to use your attack/guard dog.
    These dogs are capable of doing some serious damage, even resulting in death. A trained dog is usually more sound or predictable then an untrained dog, you know what it SHOULD do in most situations and what its training and conditioning have shown you it will most likely do which is better then an untrained dog who is unpredictable (I don't mean ubstable with this statement, I mean you don't know what its reaction would be because you've never worked the dog in that scenario, its just been a normal house pet), but at the same time its not a 100% guarantee even pro trainers who have dogs from strong working backgrounds have not only had dogs flunt out but training fall through, conditioning/training do go a long way but only so far, they are still living beings with free will and instincts. You could be in legal trouble if you are unable to control your dog in a situation or if the dog does a considerable amount a damage, which means you get sued and could be charged with assualt even manslaughter, as twisted as it may seem this even includes people who were attackers. If they get stabed, shot or bit by your dog they can sue, if they slip and fall or cut themselves breaking in your house they can sue, its screwed up but true.
    So their is a lot to consider and to prepare yourself for, I would have suggested a well bred, working background German Shepherd Dog as a good choice, but other breeds can fair well too, just seems the true GSD is very suited and much easier to work with.
     
  6. qnapr

    qnapr New Member

    ok thanks for the info

    I want to thank everyone for understanding that im not trying to make a aggerssive dog just well trained as for right now i have my pup in headstart classes where he gets to learn the basics! TRUST ME MY DOG WILL ALWAYS REMAIN FRIENDLY UNDER MY SUPERVISION! THAT WON'T BE MY DOG YOU HERE ABOUT! THANKS
     

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