Anyone Show dogs here/??

Ok I can't remember if anyof ya do other than TruePits....

I'm getting into the whole, Showing chaos... I have a question and I'm stumped.....

Recently the dogs were accepted into the AKC FSS program, I'm not thriled about the coordnator, but anyway, its a greater chance at showing... might as well tryi it out and get GOOD dogs in there before the crap try's to wiggle in..

Anyway.... i won't get started on BYB's exct.......

Are the AKC FSS dogs allowed in all the trials?? Has anyone showed in FSS??

 

Are you talking about working trials through the AKC? Any breed can do working trials and OB and whatnot. If the breed is not registered though I think they have to be fixed. FSS registration is allowed to work at trials.

Not all AKC shows have an FSS class for conformation...but FSS dogs do have their own Conformation shows. AKC is different than any org I've ever showed with that way...

I'm all for the AKC registration. As far as I'm concerned the parent orgs. and the breeders themselves are the ones responsible for turning breeds into shells of what they once were prior to "recognition". I've learned a lot since I got my Great Dane about registration organizations...they are what is responsible for keeping one breed of dog specific to itself...ADBA keeps the pit what it's supposed to be rather than what it's owners want it to be...it wasn't doing a great job there for awhile but slowly they're starting to weed out the crap... AKC is responsible for keeping stud books straight and in one place...they help to keep the Border Collie a Border Collie...if in fact the AKC was responsible for the lapse in breeds there would be more crappy BC's and Labs than there are...they are responsible for popularity and I'm all for the Boerboel getting into the AKC if the general public is going to be part of the ownership of the breed. Otherwise, they should have never been exported into the US in the first place.

Okay that was my rant...I'm done here...LOL

 

I checked with a couple breeder of dogs that are at the FSS stage in the AKC recognition and you cannot compete in the regular events of the AKC at all. They don't have an FSS division of any kind it's just a recording service and once they get enough dogs in that service they'll be recognized... As I previously had thought was the case you can only do "companion" events with the dogs like Agility and whatnot. No conformation showing of any kind even in the Misc. group until the breed is actually AKC registered.

Sara

 

Well now thats just stupid. Totally defeats the whole purpose of me going with AKC!!!!

 

They want to make sure that it generates enough interest in the breed before they put them in. If a dog isn't popular enough they'll take the breed out too. Cresteds were registered with AKC and accepted but they pushed them back in FSS status because of lack of popularity! I think Mexican Hairless dogs were too. Go figure. I just like the fact that they'll have concrete paperwork regarding stud books and whatnot. SABT does a piss poor job at that...probably the HBSA too. I haven't heard work back from the SABA either...full of crap all of them as far as I'm concerned. AKC is best out of all of them and that's pretty dang scary!

Sara

 

Well I tried to get ahold of Robin at SABA, I thought maybe I'd try and start it back up. But If I can't get anything back from her or the records, I'd have to start from scratch and that wouldn't be easy.

There's alot of good dogs out there that are "stuck" because of the fall out. You'da thought there would have been a board or panel of people that were there to help. Not just one individual.

 

Like I've told ya before...in this breed it really does seem like everyone is out for themselves, nevermind the dogs....sad but true.

Sara

 

Border Collies and the AKC

The only reason Border Collies haven't turned to crap after their induction to the AKC was because of their solid Breed Club. It is a working registry and they do not accept anything that has a title in conformation. I agree that some breed clubs do more for their breed and some just want AKC recognition. It only takes one person to get the breed involved with the AKC to start with. Then a small group of people with money on their mind, can do the rest. The AKC is more about conformation than anything else. If the breed clubs and breeders were more strict about their breeding programs and only bred for function the AKC would be S.O.L. Go to a local dog show and see how many dogs are competing in the obedience. Less than half as many as there use to be. More dogs are in Rally than regular obedience, it's not hard and a pretty showdog can get titled without having to think. So what does the AKC do to insure the future function of the breeds? Nothing. Sure they have their herding, tracking, earthdog shows. But their real money comes from the conformation people.

As for the Boerboel going AKC. At first, I thought it was a horrible idea. But then I weighed the options, checked into it and I was for it. But after being around "true working breeders, I can see what a difference not being AKC makes. The Boerboel is still new to the US and as a breed in general. So why is the AKC so willing to open up and let Boerboels in? The Boerboel did gain very quickly in popularity. New breeders are everywhere. Could that be why the AKC wants them? I still read about Boerboel's in Africa killing people or seriously injuring them. So why does the AKC want this dangerous breed?

My Border Collies are AKC and I will still compete in agility, obedience and schutzhund. My pups will still be mainly registered with the ABCA.

Sara, I thought you use to be so against the AKC also. What happened?

 

I'm against bad breeding practices. I think the breed club, the big show dog club be it AKC, UKC, ARBA or what have you is for just that...conformation and perhaps some stud dog book work stuff... It's not the AKC that is to blame for bad breeding practices. I do agree that they give people the opportunity to employ bad breeding practices and make money off of them but ultimately those breeders are the responsible ones...not the registry.

As far as conformation goes though I think there's a place for it...if there wasn't a basis of what a breed should look like then the breed wouldn't matter...if that makes sense... Working dogs come in all shapes and sizes and breeds... Mutts can be working dogs, we see this all the time in Bandogs for instance and lots of back country cattle dogs are not pure-bred, same goes for lots of serious sled dogs. I don't see a problem with AKC registration of a breed...especially the Boerboel because someone's got to take a hold of something and take control. The problem with the Boerboel is that it should have never been exported when it was and in my opinion a true south african Boerboel has little to NO place in an american home...just as I beleive there is no place for a Fila in an american home...Most of the US breeders have already dumbed down the Boerboel and made it their own...family friendly dog. AKC wasn't even part of the equation at that point...this was done all on their own...you and I know that well.

Sara

 

Oh and one last bit...as far as Boerboels go I think the vast majority of breeders involved in them are truly out for themselves and a quick buck and will smash anyone who gets in their way of that... I think only a handful of Boerboel breeders are not in it for the money... I can think of two at the moment...maybe three if one of them keeps on a keepin' with the breed if you catch my drift.

Robin and the SABA created the club half for good but half in order to further their own agenda to be honest...and Pam with the AKC for the same reason...half of those folks against it will be on the bandwagon as soon as possible to get those puppies SOLD with a BIG ol' price tag...

THIS is why I've chosen to stick to my tough as nails pits who's breeders tend to band together since the whole rest of the country has turned against the breed itself...and the loss of my own dog pushed me over the edge...I love that breed the most so I might as well stick to it and not try to do both at once.

Sara