Boerboel on Dog Whisperer

Here's a little clip:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/c ... =451802298

The show will air on 2-2-07... Poor dog is Terrified, obviously...and Patti Labelle is also terrified... THIS is what comes of Boerboels when people do not socialize the heck out of them...Boerboels are different than any other dog I've met because they really NEED human guidance to be well adjusted...they need us to show them what is okay and what is not...they are natural guardians but to protect their charges they must have leadership from them...if not...you do have a dangerous dog on your hands.

Sara

 

I didnt think the dog looked Terrified at all..He looked quite calm..He was wondering what was going on.But I didnt think terrified
I'm looking forward to watching this show, Mmmmm, Brave man lol... :lol:

 

I see that he's a bit nervous. I wouldn't say terrified. I just see a dog thats ovbiously been in a kennel its whole life, and for Patty Labelle to ahve a boerboel for 3 Years and never see his eyes???

That shocked me. I wonder who the dog came from. It makes you wonder.....

 

Great and brave hearted.

Well I'm I invited to the show?

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After watching the show I still stand by "terrified"... Poor dude had no idea what people were out to do to him. He was a good example of the breed though...NOT a breed for people who can't take the lead and socialize them...I've seen several that were just like him...Hermionee's grand sire is a case in point....although Butch wasn't so fearfull but he definately beleived all humans had it in for him or his handler, whoever that may be.

I'm very proud of the breed and they did it justice on the show as far as I'm concerned.

Sara

 

I only saw the clip from NGE but that dog looked scared and confused. I have seen one days worth of his shows and I do not like him, at all.
Yet I am amazed he is able to "MAKE" dogs do what he wants them to do but I think most of it is by threat and the dogs fear him, so they comply out of fear.

The one thing that sticks in my mind the most is how he insists we do not humanize our dogs and that they are just dogs. I really didn't like that.
Seems he either wears out the dog to train it or he pokes and pinches, and startles them into submission.
Sorry I just don't like the guy, I think he is a bully.

 

I have been watching his show for awhile, and am still trying to decide if I agree with him or not.

 

Most dogs attack out of fear though, because its unfamiliar to them.
I need to see some of his shows.

 

He uses dog psychology and the truth of the matter is...a dog is a dog not a human so in all reality to humanize them often ends up hurting them in the end. If you watch his shows or read his book it's evident that he does not work out of fear, if he did the dog's reactions and body language would not be as they are when he is working with them. A bully is evident in a dog's body language. He simply talks to dogs like dogs talk to eachother. If ya ever watch wolves in the wild they don't reason with one another about WHY they should do it this way or that...dogs are just immature wolves in designer outfits that we created with breeding.

Horses are the same way and they've been domesticated just as long, however, people tend to humanize horses much less often... Why is that??? I've always wondered that??? The horse whisperer and those like him treat a horse as Ceasar Milan would treat a dog...on their terms in their language speaking clearly to them and they simply get the picture and all the dogs I've seen him work with have turned out happier and more stable in the end.

Dogs work...that's what they do, wolves wear themselves out daily working and bonding with their pack...thats how they bond...Ceasar grew up with packs of dogs everywhere and watched them as a toddler...growing up with them and seeing how they treat eachother and how humans treat them and whatnot. The dogs Ceasar grew up with were feral dogs that worked with his family doing all kinds of things from protecting them to helping them with the cows...they didn't have to but the way his grandfather and father treated them and whatnot kept them there and helping as an extended family unit...a pack.

Understanding Ceasar Milan's technique means understanding dogs on their terms...which requires us to take the human attributes we put on them and toss em'. It's healthier for all in the end. Healthier for dogs, horses, cats...you name it...to see them as anything more than the animal they are confuses everyone and causes dangerous situations.

My bond with my dogs, since I've begun to see them this way has actually become stronger!!! Never thought doing anything more than pampering, as I did with Honijade would add to a bond but it does.... Same with my horses...dealing with them as horses and not as furry humans adds to any bond more than one who has not done it can imagine.

Sara

 

yes, i agree that he uses dog psychology and that is wonderful. i have read other books on it, and it really has helped. there is simply something about him that bothers me, i just can't put my finger on it. it may simply be nothing, and probably is, so i keep watching trying to figure it out.

 

I think it's simple Arrogance...he's a bit on the arrogant side...he does have a right to be I guess....and he's pretty candid with the people he works with, no mincing words he's great at supporting those who want to work with him and whatnot but people who have a hard time following his ideas he really isn't so nice with...not mean but he's not exactly polite... I like everything about the guy except that he's pretty arrogant....I think anyone in his position would be arrogant though....Monty Roberts is arrogant, I met him awhile back and he's like movie start arrogant...really turned me off and I don't like him as a man or a friend...I'd never want him as a friend but a trainer on the other hand. Definately.

Sara

 

Im opened minded about it all, but if he is Arrogant, then "ONE" day its going to catch up with him, if he thinks he can control the dogs behavior, and thinks he is invincible, then he is asking for trouble down the track.
makes you wonder "How" many shows "Dont" get aired hey..

 

On that note, we havn't had it aired here in Aussie land, well as far as I know anyhow , I might have missed it, but Iv been looking through the papers and guide of "Austar" National Geographic. But nowt.. Cant find it.. :?

 

Hmmm... He has recalled two dogs in his book that he wasn't able to fix so I think he's arrogant with people...because in all honesty, he really does know more than the average joe... Heck people at the Petsmart probably think we're arrogant but seriously some of those people are truely doggy/animal idiots when it comes right down to it...scary how many there are! No wonder dogs maul people in the US so often.

Sara

 

Yea thats so true sara..

 

yes, very true. i have people who will get right up in my dogs faces, or let their kids do it, at the pet store. snickers i don't usually worry about, she LOVES that kind of thing, but if they even start with ranger i warn them. he's never nipped or anything, but he always seems so much more wary. people give me strange looks when i tell them to back off from my "cute brittanys".

 

Sara,
Sorry but I do not agree. My opinion is directed to him due to the programs I have actually watched of him doing his thing. It is not directed at you or your opinion.

The one episode that sticks in my mind most is the Bulldog in Texas one where he alpha rolls the dog several times and even ends up getting bit on the hand. He constantly poked the dog in the side and neck and rolled the dog. He got results but I still question his method. Like the young Dalmatian Pup he did the same to minus the Alpha roll.

You all jumped my action of Alpha rolling Dowser when he and Duncan had a fight and I could see why days later. Why is he different?

 

I never jumped on you regarding your actions with your own dog and perhaps any difference is that you are not a trained expert or professional and those specific things done should be done by a professional not by a pet owner.

I've watched Ceasar and am reading his book and have used a few of his methods on my own dogs and have been able to see the results first hand of communicating with a dog the way a dog would communicate... He does not poke, he simulates a bite or nip and when alpha rolling a dog it is for a specific purpose to explain to said dog that you are in charge nothing more or less. Sometimes people roll dogs to try to change their pecking order but what he's doing is communicating to the dog that He's in charge, the dog is safe but must follow Ceasar's lead...this is what any Alpha dog would do in a primitave situation.

That's fine that you don't aggree I was simply explaining that my opinion is based not only on watching but reading and doing as well. no offense I do hope and I hope to have not offended you. I come to message boards to learn and to impart my own knowledge to folks with open minds...I hope we can put pride aside and take a moment... Ceasar's methods are not for everyone but they are for all dogs and do give more benefits than not....regardless of if we humans aggree with it or not.

Sara