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breeding for a certin color!

Discussion in 'Dogs - Pit bull breeds specific' started by rowdiebrindlepit, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. rowdiebrindlepit

    rowdiebrindlepit New Member

    i was wondering if it is possible to bread for a certin color or pattern on a dog....what i have always wanted was a mainly white female with either a brindle face or brindle patches.....my male is solid brindle and i kinda thought if i bred him with another solid brindle the pups wopuld come out different.
     
  2. Sara

    Sara New Member

    It all depends on what's behind each dog and what they bring to the table in terms of color genetics.

    You can't breed for a specific patter really. Brindle is about the closest thing to a patter you can breed for. Mostly you can only breed with color in mind...either way even with the horses like paints and stuff where the breed is based on color exclusively there's no sure bets. Color genetics are tough and it's mostly grab bag if you have lots of colors to choose from in a breed. It is not recommended to breed for color at all.

    Sara
     
  3. Shineillusion

    Shineillusion New Member

    Brindle is dominant over a lot of other colors, so you don't know what else your dog could be carrying. Breeding to another brindle would produce at least a percentage of brindle pups. But you could also get nonbrindle pups if both parents are carrying other genes that are recessive. If your dog has two genes for brindle, he will only throw brindle puppies.

    White is controlled by a different series of genes. One allows the full expression of color over the whole dog. The others limit the expression of color in some areas, from white flash (white blaze, paws, chest and neck) to white with just expression of color on the head and/or minimal spots on the body.

    White dogs with several spots of color are usually piebald, but can be extreme piebald if the spots are few and small. A white dog with markings only on the head is extreme piebald.

    In the breeding of white, full color is dominant over piebald. Piebald is dominant over extreme piebald. If your dog has a piebald parent, he's carrying piebald. If he has an extreme piebald parent, he's carrying extreme piebald. If both parents are full colored, it's still possible that he might be carrying either piebald or extreme piebald if there's a piebald or extreme piebald somewhere in his pedigree.

    If you were to mate him with a white bitch that has brindle head markings, you could get a white pup with brindle markings. If you do, you'll know he's carrying a recessive extreme piebald gene. If you don't get any white puppies, at least you'd know that all the puppies you do get carry the recessive gene for white from their mother. You'd need to select a brindle pup, raise it to maturity, and mate it with another white dog with brindle head markings to get a white pup with brindle head markings.

    On the other hand, white mated with white will only produce white, as extreme piebald is the most recessive, and can't hide any other genes.

    And that's a rather simplistic explanation. There's much more involved in coat color inheritence. But I hope it answers your question.
     
  4. rowdiebrindlepit

    rowdiebrindlepit New Member

    it did thank you very much.
     
  5. True_Pits

    True_Pits New Member

    First off its BREED, and you should get your pet fixed and leave it to people who know what they are doing. Dogs should not be bred for color, there are many other important reasons for breeding dogs, many problems you can create in a litter and things that can go wrong with the dam when breeding.

    If you have always wanted one and its your "dream color" there is no problem with that, people have different looks they are attracted to. I'd suggest buying a pup that looks like the one you want instead of trying to breed from one which you may not even get out of how many litters.

    I have some dogs that look like this, their parents didn't in some cases but its the genes they carried. What dogs produce depends on what genes they are carrying.

    Brindle is recessive and can come from a litter of non brindles. If you breed 2 brindles you'll likely get a litter of brindle pups with maybe a few other colors.

    White is controlled by different set of genes, there are different types of white or produced differently. There are 4 alleles which dictate how much white a dog will have. There are dogs that are almost solid colored with just a small amount of white and then their is Irish Spotting Pattern that is white on the legs/feet all the up to having that flashy white look. But a dog with piebald can have what you are looking for depending on how much white it will have, some piebalds are marked similar to the irish spotted all the way up to very little patches, while extreme piebalds can be pure white.

    Almost any color is acceptable in the Pit Bull, therefore genes for color have not been elminated by selectivly breeding only certain colors like in other breeds. You can breed 2 dogs and get a variety of colors or you can get only 1 or 2 colors, it depends on what genes they have.

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    My male I suspect is a piebald, his sire was an extreme piebald who's sire was piebald (out of an extreme piebald dam) and dam extreme piebald (out of a solid colored sire and piebald dam). His dam I think is Irish Spotting, not enough white that I think she is piebald, she's just very flashy, her sire was piebald and her dam was piebald. So as you can see it depends on what genes each parent brings to the table.
    Most the rest of the litter I'd say is piebald to extreme piebald.
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    This one and her nearly twin brother I'm not sure about, piebald or irish spotting?

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    Piebald half sister

    You can also get this out of 2 solid colored dogs, but again it depends on genetics so its a gamble. I have an extreme piebald who's parents were solid, but lots of time you may not get any with very much white at all, let alone a piebald.
     
  6. Rice and Gravy

    Rice and Gravy New Member

    I've always been attracted to brindle...

    Sweet looking dog, True.
     

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