How is your dog bred?

How is your dog bred?


Okay I just type out this whole thing when my pc decided to act up and now I have to start all over.
I've been itching to make a poll for about a week now, I just couldn't think of a topic. In one thread inbreeding was touched on, an idea popped in my head to make a poll about the way everyones dog(s) are bred. Why/how you picked the dog you got. How important was pedigree? Bloodline? Breeding? How did you finally choose the breeder? rescue? Shelter? What drew you to the dog? Include any story/info about the dog you'd like.

I procided a brief discription beside the poll choices and will also elaborate more here. The choices were as follows.

Inbred-Dogs closely related are bred together in an attempt to strengthen the line and increase on the positive traits of a great individual dog. Such as a female being bred to her son who exibits these same positive traits, to increase these traits in the offspring and stack and match genes to do so. Inbreeding is a very good tool in a breeding program when used correctly. Eliminating health/structural problems with a pure family not allowing any unknown factors that could be negative to spoil the line. It is also a great test to any line of dogs, as inbreeding can bring forward negative traits and problems to a line. A line that is bred pure for many gens without problems shows how truly strong this line is. Where other breedings give you bad results and increasing negative. These faults may have showed up anyway in future linebreeding or even outcross and scatterbreeding by genes that were still contained in these others dogs or the results of all around poor breeding. Breeding is a great tool to use. However it is also practiced by those who shouldn't be breeding at all. Without proper breeding knowledge and without knowledge on their own dogs, they are putting future potenial offspring at risk and destroying line of dogs before its ever started and helping to ruin breeds. One reason it may be practiced is to save this type of breeder $$ on breeding along with bringing in more $$. As they may do a breeding keep an offspring and breed it to its parent while also breeding the parents and again and continue again and again. Doing this eliminates stud fees or the need to buy another dog. This can yield some of the worse possible offsrping with serious defects.

Linebred-Dogs that are related through a single common ancestors, a form of loose inbreeding, not so close as parent/child, sibling, 1/2 sibling. Linebreeding cousins, uncle to neice, aunt to nephew, grandparent to grandchild, great grandparent or great, uncle/aunt, ect. Line breeding is another good and successful tool. Linebreeding also stacks and builds upoin traits of the dogs and lines. It keeps consistency of a bloodline by breeding dogs of this line exhibiting positive traits known of the line with one another.

Outcrossed-Breeding dogs of two different bloodlines together to achieve a combination of the positive traits of each line. Outcrossing is a very successful method of breeding, taking linebred and inbred dogs of two bloodlines and crossing them. A 3 way cross is 2 dogs of 3 bloodlines being bred to one another to achieve a 2-way cross. This is done in an effort to acheive positive traits of these dogs which they possess from their line(s)

Scatterbred-scatterbred is a dog bred of many lines, often times of which no common ancestors exist and lines may be completly unknown. Other times their may be known lines, however there are many different lines. The dog will have common ancestors, line breeding behind them however decending from several different lines will increase less likelyhood of the dog possessing the known traits of that line and its all one big guess at how the dog(s) will turn out. It is less predictable then the above 3 mentioned forms of breeding. A dog of this bred to another will be unlikely to produce like itself even if it possesses good traits. This is one breeding form that is most often used by bybs/amatures (except for those dangerously inbreeding) as they will breed their two pets together who they have no clue about, will breed to the other dog they think looks good/cute or whatever, or breed to some one who offers their male for stud. This involves no pedigree research (if the dog is even registered) as well as very little if any other form of research at all. The pups from this resulting breeding will likely go through the same process and again dogs will be bred to just any other dog from around town.

Inbred/Linebred Scatterbred-This is a scatterbred dog who may or may not have recognizable lines, it is just as the first mentioned scatterbred description, however a scatterbred dog may have been bred back to his mother in an effort to improve upon her positive traits that her son seems to possess. This is very risky and unkown health factors may come into play and produce very poor quality dogs without knowing which genes are coming from where and the negative traits involved. Very dangerous to attempt. Linebreeding may be a better way to go, but it is much harder to still yield the consistency of a line and will require more culling.

Unkown-Dogs of unknown breeding and history. These dogs can be bred anyway, however this is unknown as no pedigree history is available.

 

I dont know if you wanted an actual reply or if the poll was all you are after.
My Bitch is line bred Sooner which has a ruffian foundation. The litters from this line are very consistant in from, temperment and health.
The litter I Bred is the result of an outcross. The sire being linebred Hines which also has a ruffian foundation. However Ruffian dogs appear only three generations back. Evey dog since then is its linebred "Genetic Equal".

I discovered that in this outcross there was alot less consistency in sturcture, nothing too out of line or out of comformation but the small differences are there. Since both lines are of outstanding temperment and health I dont forseen either of those being a problem.

I am keeping a male out of this litter and it is tenatively being planned to breed him back to a half sister on his fathers side upon completion of his Chapionship. Those pups will then be the genetic equal of their grandfather, now being Double bred but with an aceptable amount of new genes from a good outcross source. This will be done however over a period of time after the dogs are proven, health tested, and under the supervison of those far more capable than myself to make these decisions.

This is the way I will achieve my LineBreeding.... and perhaps one day 15 years from now I can feel good about saying my dogs are from a line I developed or if only "nurtured".

 

I was definatly after more then just poll votes, replies are great!

Thats why I asked all them ?s

That is a great looking dog you have in your avatar!!!

To answer all my questions, everything was very important when I selected the dogs. The breeders I either knew, one I was introduced to by another breeder and then had built a relationship with before I ever decided to get a pup from them and another I did research and found. I have several so I'll run down the line.

Ven I got from long time breeder and friend. He is linebred and both his parents are inbred. I had a choice between two pups, she had 5 and he was keeping 3. I picked him because of his attitude and personality. He was such an outgoing and friendly pup and still is so outgoing and more than too friendly. He is always too happy and too excited with the judges, meet people on the street, but what can I say he loves people, he's a big baby teddy bear and knows he's spoiled. He gets jealous, he cries, he wants what he wants when he wants it. Thats usually my attention. He's my favorite.

The other female who I no longer have but have breeding rights to I got from Ven's same line, she is inbred from a 1/2 sibling breeding from the same sire, her dam is also from a father/daughter breeding from this sire. She is probably going to be outcrossed if she is ever bred, haven't really considered any possible studs though and I know the person who had her now hasn't really either. Although they are also looking to possibly do an outcross if they find the right compatible stud as they're looking to enforce certain traits and bring some others in. I kind of miss her, she had a lot of spunk, loved showing off and doing stunts I'll be taking her to the next show I go to and I'm excited.

I got Santana from a breeder I hadn't really known that much. I had run into her once and then again at a show. I talked to her for weeks probably. I wasn't certain I wanted another dog at the moment. I was looking at them and not really sure. Then it came down to me most likely getting one, I was having a time choosing but then I ended up deciding. I was drawn to her personality and confidence, I really liked the temperament and attitude and she had the best conformation, very outgoing so I finally decided on Santana. She is outcrossed, her sire (who was also bred by her breeder) is linebred (same line as Ven only a little different) and her dam was from an outcross.

Val has been a trip, she's a fun dog to have. I didn't really have much part in choosing her, in fact I didn't choose her at all. The same breeder I got Santana from had bred her CH bitch to Val's sire. She was giving me a male out of that litter. She had Val's brother from a previous breeding (who i just admired) and his breeder had just repeated the breeding right before she had bred her CH bitch to that stud. I had ALWAYS wanted a pup out of Val's dam. So when they repeated the breeding and it was to be her last litter and the breeder said he might have one for sale I was pretty excited. I wanted a female from this breeding and at the time I had 1 male, 2 females and I was getting a male from Santana's breeder. She had 7 and he said he might sell a male, so I wasn't sure if I was going to get him. Then that male died anyway a couple weeks later he said he was selling one female out of the litter which didn't give me a choice. So it was like the next day I sent the deposit after talking to him for half the night into the wee hours..lol The female was a seal and white female. She died the day I got her. We're not really sure what from or why. She had just had her final health check, test, wormings and shots on weds and I recieved her Mon. We have no idea what happened, maybe she picked up something, maybe traveling? The vet did nothing she was supposed to do and was too lazy to do an autotopsy like she was supposed to! Thats what I asked when I dropped the body off. I took her to the vet as soon as I got her and thats where she died, brought her home, then took her back. All she did was a fecal and said she died of parvo, which I know isn't true. Thats what she kept insisting when I was in the first time, the dog didn't have symptoms of parvo, had been tested weds which was only 5 days prior and also been given her shot. When they are given their shots they may test positive for parvo for about a week if you do a fecal. But she wouldn't do what I ask and I'm still kicking myself for going to them when I know I really don't like that vet clinic. Well I talked to the breeders wife same day and she said I could have a female out of the same sire they had got for a stud fee (they got a male and a female) or I could just wait for another breeding out of him. Even though I'd really wanted one from her dam that was her last litter, I really liked the sire anyway and would love to have a whole yard full of his pups. He called me a day later and I said I'd take the female as I liked her dam too and had been considering one from her. But then I didn't like her, didn't want her and decided to wait and was still dismayed about loosing my pup and that being the last time that breeding would ever be made. I talked to him all the time as usual, but about a month later he offered me the stud fee male because he decided to sale him and I jumped at the chance of taking him, I really liked him much better then his sister (for some reason) and knew that I would still have my female replaced later, but then he tells me I can have his pick female from Val's litter which would have been Val. You can imagine I was very excited, he had kept her and a white male. Well thats how I ended up getting her...lol Her sire is crossed(inbred/linebred) and her dam is practically scatterbred from 4 or 5 different lines that were linebred, well in the topside one of the lines was outcrossed twice after tight inbreeding and bred to her dam thats an outcross of two different lines. They bred Val's dam and sire together tighten up the line some.

Her niece (who belongs to santanas breeder) is inbred from a 1/2 sibling breeding, same sire. The sire of the litter is one of the males she bred out of her female to Vals sire. So its a grandaughter to her female.

The newest addition Muse is linebred with 2 1/8th outs. I was looking for a certain bloodline, so I went on my search for a pup. I looked to a few breeders before I found hers. One I still might go to in the future and I almost went for buying a pup from them now, but I didn't much like the dams bloodline outcross. It was a good bloodline and probably a good breeding, just not one I'm looking to add. I'm still keeping my eyes open for the future when they breed the sire to something else. One other breeder actually had a female from Muse's breeder they had bred to a CH stud and were offering a male off her. However this female was bred different and had been outcrossed and I didn't want that. Weird thing was Muse's breeder had a litter off that females dam and Muse's dam, both bred to the same sire. There was 2 availabe from the other litter and one from Muse's litter. So that would be Muse and I didn't really get much a choice there either. I found out they were pretty honest people with a good reputation, I really liked the pedigree and so I went for it. She's a red brindle, which is one of my favorite colors although I didn't know that before...lol Just a nice bonus to have a dog of the color you like. I really liked them and I'm very satisfied with the pup I got (so far..lol) and might possibly go to them again in the future.

 

Val is my favorite. I will take pick from her first litter

 

So will everyone else..lol