My Passion my Love Pit Bulls

I want to make note and hope everyone else can do so as well...

I love the breed and I'm passionate about the breed. I've seen horrors of abuse and neglect that this breed has been dealt as well as the laws that are being made in order to kill them because of irresponsible ownership and breeding practices... When someone is not bein responsible with their Pit Bulls I find it VERY hard to NOT speak my mind and do so loudly because I beleive it needs to be done.

I apologize NOW for any offense anyone takes but sometimes I am at the end of my rope listening to people be disillusioned and in denial about what the breed is capable of and keeping them in a manner that will only add in more news stories.

I've spent three almost four years of my life researching dog breeding in general wih the purpose of breedin Pit Bulls and chose not to...spent another year or so researching breeds I would like to own and breed as well and found one... I'm broke and spending money to breed my first litter responsibly with health tests etc... I'm an oppressed Pit Bull owner (as we all are if we're responsible) and hopefull dog breeder adn when I see people ignorantly dumping on BOTH I have a hard time being calm... I don't mean anythin personally but sometimes being blunt is the best way to get a point accrossed... Sorry if I did not beat around the bush about breeding and what the APBT is capable of...and I'm sorry if I offfended... But I still stand behind the words I said that if you do not know your breed and have not researched breeding, have not done health tests and all that jazz...you are not being a responsible breeder and are just as good as a Puppy mill...ESPECIALLY when an "endagered" breed of dog that I love is involved.

I know it was vague but it was my attempt at an apology...without supporting the activities mentioned regarding Pits and Breeding in a thread below now closed.

""You are responsible forever for what you have tamed." (From *The Little Prince*)" I like this little quote and I hope this website might give a few of you an idea on WHY I feel so strongly about keeping and breeding APBT's irresponsibly.

http://www.realpitbull.com/abuse.html

Honijade the Diva of the house...

 

Sara,
I share your sentiments...The thread was locked by the time I saw where it had gone after my last post...otherwise you wouldn't have been the only angry, loud mouthed defensive pit owner. We go through a lot trying to be responsible with our dogs and it seems so simple to do and it's maddening when someone else takes this wondeful breed and flirts with disaster. It's not that we're crazy and negative(ok..maybe a little crazy)..it's just hard to slow down, take a breath and try to educate after you've spent so many hours writing letters fighting BSL, trying to find homes for dogs who did nothing but have the misfortune of not being owned responsibly. It's hard for people who haven't seen the same outcome time and again to believe that it will happen to them.
I think pit bulls are the most wonderful breed in the world, but they are more work than some people realize..I definetely think it should be a requirement for all breeders..not just pit bulls to spend a good amount of time in rescue before they make their decision to breed..it's an eye opening experience to say the least.

 

All of you have really educated me on the ABT, I do love to hear your passion about the breed, I alway thought they were like any other breed of dog and their only problems were the way they are trained. So please keep up the good work.

honeybear

 

hi again i prolly wont post again. id hate to get a arguement started again and be involved in another locked post.
i dont understand why anyone is so angry.i came here asking questions (late is beter than never in my book) freely admited im not very experenced still some things said i just wont accept (try to accept that) i asked a question and most ppl were very nice and gave sugestions that i agreed with 100% i just dont understand what i am doing that is so bad that anyone would be so angry about i have 2 acres with a 8ft fence any dog would love that. a doggy door (a big plus) and a self feed and water so my dogs have never had a later dinner and they both adult dogs have wellness plans through petsmart im more than confident to say i have two very happy dogs
yet when i ask a question some tell me im irresponsible,shouldnt even own pits due to the fact i dont know much about them i guess. and im a bad person for breeding her (once) and dont say ppl might fight them because i said long ago that these pups were had good homes before they were even born
*im not mad at all i just cant understand y anyone would be angry from anything i have said perhaps where from completely diff backgrounds i wasnt raised around animals in the way i believe some of you were

one last thing i dont know what you mean by registered buffy came with papers bruiser didnt if that what you meant..also up to date on there shots and checkups if thats what you mean. if being registered means something else maby you could clarify for a noob lol
. it was nice to meet you all.

 

I am not going to bash and name call, but I will try to explain to you why people are so upset about you breeding your dog. I know you probably care deeply about your dogs, but breeding them is probably one of the worst things you can do for them. Breeding is hard work, you lose money and it's risky and that's even after you've done hundreds of hours of research and preparation! I imagine you are probably breeding Buffy because you think she and Bruiser are wonderful dogs and can't imagine someone not wanting a pup just like them..unfortunately, breeding doesn't always produce what you want..there's little chance that the pups will end up being just like one of them. The goal of breeding dogs is to improve the breed. This is impossible to do if your dogs aren't registered(registered with something like the UKC or ADBA). Registration is more than just having papers...it's the history of your dogs ancestors...were they healthy? Did they have genetic defects? Were they of good temperment? Were they successful? All important things to consider when breeding your dog. The dogs you breed should be tested for genetic problems such as having OFAs or any other test done for things the breed is predisposed to. By doing this, you minimize the risk that that puppies will be unhealthy. You should have money set aside to get your bitch checked during her pregnancy and for any complication that may arise during labor...having puppies is always a risk, you could lose your bitch and the puppies if problems arise. You should be prepapred to bottle feed anywhere from 4-12 puppies around the clock in case the bitch rejects them. The puppies should be seen by the vet before they go to their new homes and have their first shots..it's a lot of expense.
The reason not to breed close to my heart is the staggering number of pit bulls that are abandoned every day. These are not all abandoned fighting dogs, these come from normal families that move, get divorces, develop allergies, decide their pup chews too much, jumps too much, barks too much, eats too much, it developed a health problem...the list goes on and on. Can you be sure that every puppy that leaves you will go to a good home and stay there? Would you take it back and care for it if it can't stay there? Will it be bred as well and can they be sure that all of those puppies will also be well cared for? There are thousands upon thousands of beautiful pit bulls waiting to go to a home right now that were "going to good homes"
This is why people got so upset about you breeding your dog..breeding your dog even once makes you a breeder..and we always want to see people do it responsibly...since the deed is already done though...there's not much you can do to correct it, so there's no use harping on this..I just urge you to have your bitch checked by a vet and make sure those pups are well taken care of in any way you can.

Here's a great link about why not to breed that goes into more detail than I did
http://www.realpitbull.com/breeding.html#top

 

First I didn't call anyone names and left pretty much the old post open to interpretation...

Second I never said you shouldn't own pits I said you shouldn't have bred them...

Thirdly my above post should have explained why it's frustrating to me when people do irresponsible (IMO) things with their dogs...

I thought I explained why I felt you were being irresponsible... One keeping multiple Pit Bulls in a household requires a few things...things including keeping them separate when you are not there to supervise... NOT to be mean to the dogs but more in order to keep them safe... I'm serious on this...and most APBT people are... Pit Bulls were bred to desire and like and be good at fighting one another...it was the main ideal in breeding programs for decades upon decades... THIS behavior can't really be 100% bred out of the breed FIRST because MANY people still fight and breed fighting dogs and often you can't tell which is which if your a newbie... Your dog already demonstrated animal aggression doesn't matter upon who but unprovoked animal aggression has been demonstrated by your dog... THIS alone should be reason to keep her separate from other dogs when not able to supervise...no matter the breed. Put on inside and one out... Give them each a room if you want... Separation doesn't mean crating necessarily but it should be done for your dog's safety... It's a MAIN principle all good multiple Pit Bull owners do...it's a golden rule we live by that you can't trust a Bulldog not to fight... and considering what COULD happen...why would you want to?

I'm not mad at you and never was... I'm frustrated with the situation...and apologized if it wasn't clear...that's what the beginning of this thread was...explaining my background and why I feel the way I do about your situation...not you...I don't know you but I know your situation is one bred out of irresponsible behavior...purposefully or not...it's still irresponsible to breed a dog when you don't even know what "registered" means... Your in the US right? We're not talking about a language barrier are we? If so it definately changes a lot...

Anyway... Responsible breeders do the following:

First they only breed registered dogs...AKC, UKC are the big registries but in my case I have a rare breed so we have a Breed registry...(a few to be exact) and pits have a breed registry as well... the ADBA (you can look those up the search will be informative as well...) The main goal to a breeder or anyone who is going to breed a dog even once is to IMPROVE... Improve on a line of dogs and on the breed... The best of the best should be bred in the name of improving the breed... Pit Bulls are nearly perfect IMO and need little improvement on what the old folks did back in the day... BUT...to make sure you breed to improve you need to know what bloodlines are behind the dogs being bred and what hey bring to the table in conformation and temperment--generally show titles and working titles or accomplishments are what people look for to prove the dogs are top notch--... This takes research and time... THEN you pick the two dogs you think will compliment eachother in a breeding and make sure they are sound with Hip X-rays to make sure they don't have signs of Hip Displaysia and depending on the breed other tests on elbows, knees and eyes... Once you get results and dogs are both healthy as well as being up to date on shots and wormings... You then make sure they can be bred... Check for diseases..Brucilosis and other kinds of things you may have in your area... Once you do that you make sure you have finances to handle possible problems... Make sure you have the money to properly vaccinate and care for newborn puppies and momma and make sure you know what you are expecting when the big day comes... Build a welping box, get a room ready, get plenty of sleep because it will be hard to find once the pups are born... Make sure you have an idea when your female will have them so you can be there if there are problems... Feed puppy food ($$$) and all that jazz... THEN start screening the homes you feel you have lined up for the pups when they do arrive...take deposits if you want... Write up contracts to make sure the puppies won't end up in an ugly situation and that you can keep tabs on them...after all you are the one responsible for bringing them into the world you should stay responsible when problems arise. Some people guarantee dogs...if they are healthy and HD free for two years the guarantee is over but if the dog develops a problem within those two years...it is replaced or money back...that's just a general...

Pit Bulls are one of the most abused breeds out there so many of them need homes and so many of them die horrible deaths and so many people are banning or trying to ban them...I cringe when I hear about people who are being irresponsible... My standards for breeding are outlined above...my standards for keeping a pit are also outlined above... I think and hope my point was made clearly enough so that you can understand where the rub lies in your particular situation... I hope you heed the advice I have given and take care of your pregnant dog as well as you can and thing twice before you ever do it again... I also hope you will separate your dogs...it'd be horrible to accidentally lose a pregnant female because of some accident that could have been prevented.

Never ment to offend...as I stated about three or four times now... No reason to keep going on and on about being rude...I wasn't that rude and never called one person a name... I don't do that... I suggest you take a look at the site I posted about and imagine it happening on a scale 5 times that that you see to a breed you also love...and then...be rational and forgiving ALL THE TIME...

Hope I made my point clearly and shed some light on some things... Hope I educated... To a point...I hope I didn't offend...but sometimes...one needs to be offended... I certainly needed plenty of it when I was thinking of breeding my own pit bulls.

 

I would just like to add to ANYONE thinking about breeding pit bulls "just one time." It's a plea to reconsider it before you do.

Your new little pit bull puppies will be a drop in a very large, very full bucket of pit bulls in America today. Take a walk down the halls of almost any shelter, any day, and you will see a myriad of homeless pit bulls pleading for a chance to give love that they have never been given. Sadly, most of these dogs don't make it out of the shelters alive. Rescue organizations are overflowing with pit bulls, unable to save all that cross their paths because there are just too many of them. And not even close to enough homes. Think long and hard before you add to the already overflowing supply.

The pit bulls that make it to the shelter, or better yet, into a rescue program, are the lucky ones. Many pit bulls never even get that far, falling victim to gross neglect or outright cruelty. The fact is, many people breed litters (or litters are produced accidentally) and puppies are ignorantly allowed to end up in abusive situations. Puppies grow up to be not-so-cute adult dogs, owners tire of them, find out they are more than they can handle, fight with other family pets, or display any behavioral problems that seems to come natural to a pit bull, and then relinquish them to shelters where they are euthanized. Pit bulls are placed into abusive homes because many breeders don't screen, or just don't care who takes their pups. Too often dogs wind up dead on the streets, set on fire, beaten, shot, and worse. "Not my puppies," says the well-meaning, but neophyte breeder, "My puppies will end up in good homes." But making sure every pit bull puppy will be cared for and loved, and that none will grow up to produce more puppies that could end up abused and homeless, is not an easy task.

Do you really need to breed your pit bull? Ask yourself why this is something you want to do. Is it fair to your dog? Is it fair to the breed?

 

and once again, sara, seeing as my post got deleted. look at my avatar and that will answer your question as to whether i have experience with dog aggressive breeds.

 

Two kitties and an... Akita??? Not known for their dog fighting skills as far as I know... Guardians right??? BUT not really combatants??? Not QUITE the same thing as a dog aggressive BREED where the trait was sought after and created the breed itself... Bulldogs in general... Sorry maybe I should have specified experience with dog aggressive BREEDS or specifically bulldogs???

I'm not trying to be argumentative but...I think you did gather my point of never trusting bulldogs NOT to fight and that I do not have a "negative" view on dog aggressive dogs...hell I own 5 myself...so... If I had a negative attitude as you suggested...I can't imagine I'd even own one or go to bat for APBT's as seriously as I do and have... Hmmm... Who knows... I just don't want you to think the attitude is negative...rather... It's a reality for mulpiple bulldog owners... Never met one that didn't either learn the hard way or play it safely...I've met QUITE a few...

 

Sara, the Akita is the only AKC registered breed that had aggression toward other dogs written into the standard. What their skills as fighters would be in comparison to a pit is questionable, but they are dog aggressive. I wouldn't leave two Akitas together, unattended, anymore than I'd leave two pits together. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Hmmm... I thought they were more to be guardians than anything else so I guess I can see it to a point... I'm not so privy to AKC breeds... I find it dismall though that the Akita is the only breed with that trait written into the standard...considering the Am Staff and Staffy Bull are included in AKC...BOTH come from or are directly part of the APBT breed... Hmmm...

 

I'm sure the breeders of Am Staffs and Staffy's were concerned with public opinion and image when they wrote their standards. It's much harder to fight breed specific legislation and public hysteria if they're waving a standard that calls for aggression in your face.

There's also a concerted effort on the part of those people who are breeding for show to move their dogs away from the stigma of pit fighting. These dogs are game to a fault, but when you're trying to move them into mainstream America, and present them as being family members, having a requirement for aggression in the breed standard is counter-productive.

And I'm not going to do more than mention personal injury lawyers looking for easy money. We all know what they'd do with a standard that requires aggression.

 

sara your attitude is truly pathetic. you are also embarassing yourself. if you are going to say i know nothing about dog aggressive breeds then at least educate yourself in the akitas standard and history. by the way, what do my cats have to do with a dog thread? try using something relevant to justify your rash comments.