New addition to the family

Ok guys. After a few months of grieving over the loss of our darling Char, I think she sent us a message from up above. Its time to move on....
A breeder I know, Katrina, got in contact with me this weekend. (friday night) she has decided to let go one of her younger females. She can not breed to the males she has, and with new up coming prospects, she doesn't have time to takeher to herding, and competition trials, and shows.
She asked if I would be intrested in her.....

He'res her info


She's a 2 year old (in November)
Solid REd
AKC registered duled with CKC (canadian)
She's OFA & OFC cert
Has her Obediance cert
Fully herding trained
shown twice, trialed three times
worked off horses and on foot, cattle and goats
Perfect confermation, all health tests prove excellent
Her only vice, is she's a ball-a-hollic

So I'm going to meet her at her place, watch her do her stuff, and check over pedigree's. I'm not bringing Smokey this time.

She's asking $500 or pick of the first litter....

SO here's my question. DO you think its too soon? I mean, to get back int he breeding program again?? We won't be breeding until the Spring anyhow. Smokey has two bitches lined up for april and one in may. I regected the other four. (not suitable, and one was a BYB!!! ) anyhow....I'm jsut wanting oppinions.

If all goes well Saturday morning. Sunday Katrina is going to meet us at a park in Eagle Lake. That way we can introduce Smokey to her and see how they interact.

She also has another blue female with a biting problem. I've been asked to take her as well, but I'm wary of her biting problem. Suposively she sold the pretty girl to a couple with three kids. And the kids were HORRIBLE to her. She found this out 6 months later when she went to do her home check. Found a broken spirited, mean, fear biting yearliing....SO she confiscated the dog back. Worst part is, she was the best in the litter.
Soo now the dog has a complex against children. Granvel likes her. He likes the sound of her, Gris was a biter. He was abused by an old man and children, and he would bite kids. But his offspring were bomb proof.

So should I risk it? Or should I pass and wait?
We dont' have children, and any time someoen comes over, the odgs are kenneled until they are comfortable with the newcomers, and things have settled down a bit.

I don't know. I'm excited and can't wait, but another part of me says don't rush....

As far as their safety goes, I've completely moved the rescues from my property. They are now at the ajoining property of ours that we went ahead and purchased. I didn't feel comfortable with them there. Just too many risks, and my dogs health to be considered. They never had contact to begin with, but I just can't risk it.
SO thats not a problem. I'm also fixing to start working part time isntead of full time. I need to stay at home a bit more with my training program starting, and the rescues....

 

Sam, if it works for you I say go for it. Sounds like perfect match

As for the biter, I have seen and read a lot they can overcome it, but it takes a lot of work rehabilitating them, then they need to be placed in homes with no kids or older kids, that wont be aggerssive.

So if yo uhave the time and energy I would maybe try her as a foster, work with her and place her in a good home

honeybear

 

Kat is looking for me to breed her. As a breeder/rescuer. I don't feel comfortable doing so. Her temperment, even though brought on by abuse, can be passed to the puppies. I honestly don't think I should even risk it.

But the other...I'll just have to obeserve her, let the vets do their checks...and then decided.

(I think I already have though! :wink: )

 

sam, i am cluesless on breeding but does aggressive abuse get passed on to pups?

honeybear

 

sams i say if it feels right do it sound like beautiful dogs

 

They do sound like beautiful dogs. How does biting get transferred to offspring? If all health things go ok then i would go for it. is there any chance that you can say like, if the biting thing gets to bad i'm giving her back to you. would that be even possible. judging from how you write about her i would say you're already hooked. :lol: i hope everything works out for the best!

 

Yeah, I know. I tend to babble on and on...

Agression problems are traits that can be passed from generation to generation. (hince the Pit problems) They are a fine example. Along with heelers. The "BITE" is bred into them and the herding/fighting drive.

I'm sure since it was a taught (and in this case forced agression, derived from abuse) she won't pass it on. But my safety and the safety of others is at stake.

I'm scheduled to be there tonight at 6pm. I'll check them out. DO my exams. watch her perform, and see how she interacts with me and Smokey's smell. I brought his harness and pillow. I want to see what kind of reaction she gives me from them.

As for the other female. I don't know yet. She's dropped her price from $375 to $300 if I decide to take her. We'll see. I'm taking the digital camera to take photos of her kennels and stuff and the dogs. I'll see if I can post them tonight or in the morning when I get home.

 

Sams
Pit Bulls are not born naturally aggressive...DOG...aggressive YES it is a common trait among Pit Bulls. I am hoping that is what you meant.
Your statement would lead a reader to believe you are claiming Pit Bulls to be aggressive dogs.

 

So human agression is not being passed? It was my understanding that human and dog agression was being bred into dogs?

Sorry if I was misleading. Correct me if I'm wrong!

 

Sams read this article on the American Pit Bull Temperament.
http://www.realpitbull.com/temperament.html

 

Ah Ok! THanks for the info!!! I love reading up on that stuff....and learning!!!

 

Temperament problems, whether it be aggression, excessive shyness, stubborness, etc., are definately genetic. That is, they are hereditary. The tendency to a particular personality and anything having to do with character is passed down, without a doubt. There is no way of telling what type of temperament a pup may have if the parents have different temperaments. In other words, if the mother is sweet and the father is aggressive, the pup may be at either end of the two extremes, or even somewhere in the middle. In any case, there is no guarantee. I would never even consider breeding a dog that is a biter. I will be the first to admit that environment is a big factor in how the dog views the world, and how it responds to it. But the basic temperament that the dog is born with cannot be changed - no matter HOW the dog is raised or treated. I've seen two pups that came from the same litter, raised exactly the same way (in the same family) and one turned out to be extremely aggressive to the point of viciousness. The other was as sweet a dog as you'd ever find, and wouldn't bite if you were literally killing him. This, and many other examples I've seen tell me that environment is only a small fraction of the whole story. Just like people, dogs can be born outgoing or introverts, because this is their inborn nature. Some people are argumentative, others are mild and meek. So it is with dogs. In short, a dog who bites for ANY REASON is very risky as a breeding prospect. Personally, I wouldn't chance the heartache. And any reputable breeder would do the same.

Randi

 

She sounds good. I dont think its too soon but what do you feel in your heart? I know you can never replace Char but as long as you are ready for another one go for it! She sounds beautifull!

 

I wasn't able to go see her today. Perhaps Monday. She had a situation come up with her daughter. So I understand the circomstances and we'll try again later. Family always comes first and I'm in no hurry.

As for the other female. I don't know. I really want to look at her and evaluate her on an indvidual basis. I don't know if she's as "bad" as Kat puts it, but then again I don't know.