:lol: and there goes the serious part of the debate again. 5 foot 4 and a bit and 125# soaking wet, hardly fat. :wink: With everything I posted in my last post, what exactly is it that makes you think ignorance plays a part in it, its not just about eating meat and not wearing fur, its in every aspect of daily life. As for the 'sore spot', its that old hypocricy thing again, people going on about whats right or wrong, proclaiming that their way is the right way....until it comes to something like the health and welfare or life of themselves or a loved one (whether thats animal or human) and then their 'beliefs', everything theyve preached to others about in how wrong they are, how uneducated or ignorant they are fly right out of the window. You cant preach to others about how wrong it is to eat meat while at the same time your feeding your own dogs food with animal products in it, well you can, obviously but it renders your arguement hypocritical (theres that word again).....do the animals used in pet food go through some special treatment that animals for human consumption do not go through? even if its not in the food its in the packaging, if its not in the packaging in its in the means to get the food from a to b, there may well have been thousands of dogs and cats that have been used in testing to see what the effects of the food will do to the body...unless of course you have them on a veggie diet or you hunt and kill their food or train them to catch their own dinner.