Puppy advetisement and responsible breeders

Well I did not know what you meant by quality, because if you haven't noticed most ads say quality parents, or CH bloodlines. Take the latest local ad here, GR CH pit bull pups $200, poor temperaments/hang papers (no GR CHs either), most pet bull breeders are making these claims. Your the one who made the people with the 2 dogs sound like everyother byb, them having a well bred dog is different from proving their dog itself is quality as well. If you look at many ads their dog has good lines so they assume their dog too must be this same quality, this is how bloodlines get washed up because of bybs using good lines to peddle pups and the quality lessens with each breeding.

You are the one making genreralizations. Saying that automatically makes them lesser quality is ridiculous. That doesn't make their ability to produce any lesser then it does the other 2 dogs. Their offspring may be better then the other 2 dogs. Who is to say they are not socialized? Your the one who never went into detail. I said if they are irresponsible breeders then I agree bybs but if they are responsible and take care of their animals responsible breeders. If they are a liability to the neighborhood than that is bad for the whole breed. But if the dogs are properly contained and well socialized then none of your above statement is true. \So having 5 dogs chained dogs doesn't mean byb doesn't automatically make them lesser quality, its what the breeder does with the dogs and how the individual dogs themselves are. Many poor quality dogs are housed in kennels, in kennel crates or free roaming in their owners homes. I guess you never noticed that? How many unsocialized dogs live in homes, free roam house, free roam backyard, in kennels or in kennel crates because their owners are lazy. Many poeple have HOUSE pets, but they are not socialized. They start coming up with concerns about why their dog doesn't like stangers, acts scared, barks, jumps at loud sounds, backs up or cowers at strangers, jumps on people, nips, doesn't like black people, men, babies ect. Well its because you never took the dog out of your home, you never trained it and it has no manners. This is just one case I knew of people with 2 dogs, one outside who is properly taken care of, socialized, fed, walked at least 2 times a day, sometimes out for hours hanging out, meeting people, on a long chain that takes up a big portion of the yard where the other dog is so called "spoiled" because she is living in some dirty room in the basement, locked in their made worse by feces and no sunlight, no social interaction (not even with the owners), the "you know how hyper she is going to be, she hasn't been upstairs out of the basement in in 2 weeks". I think her brother has a much better life then she does, but yet they call her the spoiled one because she's in the house people have a weird way of thinking. A dog who isn't socialized, can be dangerous, I come in contact with numorous pits, but the only one that has ever tried to attack me was an unsocialized house dog, and I can only say out of the other numorous unsocialized pits with poor temperaments I have met only 3 were outside dogs, one in a kennel and 2 who were on chains, but one of these lived in the owners apartment and grew up there as an inside dog before they moved to the house. Not socialized and poor conditions happens in all ways of keeping a dog, it depends on the owner not on how they house the dog.

I only took from your postings, isn't this what anyone does? If you go on any other boards where people are right or wrongfully accused of being bybs or even assumed to be good breeders and later found out to be bad breeders its because people don't know eachother and can only go off what the persons post. I'm making assumptions about EVERYONE here just as they are me by post made.

I understand you think I was attacking you (which I wasn't) but go ahead and attack back. Really doesn't make sense, its one thing to defend yourself another to try and start a fight. So they are nice for the most part? What part of them isn't good enough to cut it? I really appreciate any insight on my dogs. What do you mean by "ate up witht he fighting lines" you like whatever lines it is you have and I happen to have the lines I have and the dogs I like, whether some come from game lines and some come from show lines and/or pull lines. You are attacking my dogs line because? What is wrong with their conditions? Anything I can do to make them better I'm always out to hear, I only want the best life and living conditions for my dogs. How much better, what way and what should I do? I'm all ears.

You have to understand that most people say exactly as you have said, they say these thing about their breeding stock but have nothing to back it up and prove it. Think about all the bybs who are saying what you are saying? They are using the same lines to peddle pups and ruin the breed that you are trying to uphold Most of these breeders are the ones in the newspaper or online ad. Triple registration isn't impressive or hard to get eithe. People think dogs with more then one registration are worth more or better, you see this in a lot of ads too. I asked someone why their male was now all the sudden worth $600, becasue it was 13 months old and just got its UKC reg done, wow so now its worth twice as much as it was a couple days before. And I wonder why any reputable person would associate and give money to the CKC? I don't expect you to advertise but you have spoke of breeding. I've seen enough happy breeders excited about litters or prospects who say this is out of CH suchnsuch and ACE whoever. Some are not all pit bull forums and some aren't even breeders but they still delight in their CHs, OB titled dogs, SCH titled dogs, Agility, ect. Maybe they just have big egos? I don't even see any mention of your dogs show info on the site, where people will be looking to see what quality it is you produce and are aiming for. Why would you conceal such things?

I assumed this because you never said you showed/pulled. You have spoke of breedings and dogs from you litters but never a lick of info on the you proving/titling your dogs. You are the one in the wrong, no where have I assassinated your character or grossly assumed, I've only assumed to the point of anyone else who is in an online forum. Anyone who can read can see you are the one attacking peoples character not I. When did I fail to explain myself?

Well please enlighten me as I am always wanting to learn more about this breed and trying my hardest to research. I know that there is still so much more to gain and learn about this breed and any info I am always wanting to learn. What ego over what dogs? My moderately bred dogs? That statement doesn't even make sense. First you are talking about some knowledge I have, but then about an ego I supposedly have over my "moderately bred" dogs thats going to some how come back on me? Who's the one with the ego here? Me or someone who must have vast knowledge compared to my "some" and the adsolute best pet dogs in the universe compared to my moderately bred dogs in their poor conditions...lmao Even if I was in the wrong, attacking some one and making up crap trying to deflect the topic away from you really proves nothing.
Now I'm argueing that advertising is wrong? Thats why I said it was ok??.You're the one thats really ate up, I never argued that placing ads was wrong...lol I'm very sorry you have issues, but you can take them out in me, insult me or my dogs if it makes you feel better. And you as well are no authority so I really wonder why you believe otherwise. I'm not pretending to be anything other then what I am? My 1000s of pictures of my dogs are in boxes and on my pc including the ones of them playing together, some are even posted on the forum but yeah they don't exist although others have seen them. My dogs are healthy and I keep them in good condition, and thats because unlike you I actually work my dogs and show them I don't lie about it and byb my "superior house pets". Wow my dogs that go for walks in town everyday, and the park all spring-fall, petsmart, shows at least once a month and vet check ups but are undersocialized and I always thought they were so damn oversocialized and exposed to everything. The more you make up stuff about me shows that you are the one with something to hide. And of course my dogs are dog aggression, again they are Pit Bulls a breed thats prone to this, socialization and training can only help, but then they do play with one another and other dogs. But hey those pics of Santana running circles around another dog don't exist Val neither being trampled by a puppy just about as large as her, really gets me how these non existent pics just pop up like that.
You really think people peddling dogs for 3 Gs is going to stop? I know I'm some of the reason why a few I've met have changed. Also why some owners changed realized you can train dogs even if its a late start and train not abuse, hit or yell at them. know me. I think when spencerpits came here they were a byb, but me and not just me a few other KIND people who were not critizing trying to help them become more responsible. I really like spencerpits and I'm glad they made a responsible decision, and I mean damn I've asked them so many ?s (not all of them on the public forum) I'm sure they feel like its an interrogation but unlike some immature, defensive people they remained civil. I like their dogs and I'm very interested in them, even though they have no breeding plans at this time and won't let many go, but its always good to gather the info and put that breeder in the list with the rest your looking at.
If you look over the forum, you'll see who the derogatory one is, all you have to do is look in the mirror.
If assume wrong and someone sets me straight I'm fine with it, but if they can't and have to bash me and my dogs thats a problem. I really don't value your opinion, since you are as not an authority and I'm actually out their proving my dogs and caring for them, so I know they are more then nice for the most part. Just some nobodies opinion and thats how I take them.
I have converted some, but they can't all be converted. Sure you do have a right to assume, of course even at things you can't prove, but thats how it is in an online forum, its my resposnibility to inform others of the truth about me.
Which is I don't have 35 dogs. Funny how you are the one making thing up, stupid things, "grasping for straws" but you have more dogs then I do. I don't have dogs from a pound. I don't have fighting dogs. I don't know what my dogs would do at fighting. I really don't know or know to care if they are game.

You are so ate up with with pit dogmen. I thought we were talking about responsible breeders not dog fighters who peddle pups? Winning and titling your dogs will increase there value. But you show you don't have as much experience as you claim. Every show/pull you go to cost you a lot of money.

Exactly, ensure they won't escape. So that way you don't have a problem with the courts and people complaining how irrespible pit bulls owners are. Not including those like someday who walk their dogs off lead with verbal control, totally different.

What attitude? Because I thought you were a byb thats having an attitude? Yeah of my some knowledge, its not really much so I can't help others with it, sorry. And even when I try, you're right its only belittle people thats exactly what I was doing when I was telling angie all those things that could possibly be wrong with Eve, sorry Angie I really meant that Eve is a worthless dog and you nor your brother should be owning Pit Bulls if you can't even figure out whats wrong with your own dog. You can't make yourself look better by trying make others look worse. Even if you were completly right about me in everything you said, it still proves you no better then what I or Charm or what anyone else thinks about you or about advertising.

They are very poor conditions, thats just how I like to keep my dogs, they are only stupid animals, this is why I keep them in tiny cages and they never go anywhere or do anything. haha in your dreams anyway. And what is wrong with the bloodlines again? Lots of them do go back to game dogs and this is the history of the pit bull and its what runs in the breed. Those were famous pit dogs and happen to be in the pedigrees of some of my dogs, so what are you trying to prove?
Refer to this again.

OMG, why are you talking about dog fighting? Breeding dogs for profit to and we were talking about responsible breeder. Why are you using a man NOTORIOUS for fighting dogs, breeding dogs for fighting, and breeding/owning some of the most famous pit dogs in time? Why are you mentioning a pit dogman who was busted with 50 or 60 dogs house on chains, with barrels some chain spaces in standing water (really bad on dogs paws). This really amazes me, bizarre, I guess his dogs were in really good conditions and should be highly valued.

My bloodlines are now producing disfigured dogs? Maybe you should have informed me instead of came all hostile, isn't that what you do, try to be helpful and instead of rude? No one is going to lie and say they arn't fighting dogs, like honeybunch wasn't a pit CH and Nigerino a GR CH. We know this, showing pics of ancestors on your site is definitaly glorifying them, I'm sorry all I just had to glorify these fighting dogs like Mattbone glorifies these hasbeen dogmen who with great conditions who sell for fighting purposes or any joe blow who wants one. I mean those people really inforce the best and most positive image for the breed, unlike my well behaved, loved members of the community and of course for those who don't know gotta love the shocked look on their face when "thats a pit bull!!!" Since they had such a horrible outlook because of media hearsay. Who is really grasping for straws here? Your the one running your mouth making things up. Your the one who doesn't like my dogs because of their bloodlines, nor their conditions but speak of dog fighters who have dogs in same or worse conditions, very contradictory.

You seem kind of pissed yourself. Maybe what you are saying is true to you, hit close to home for you, you just bred house pets since you didn't want to prove otherwise just went on some raving rant, so does the truth hurt? I mean common, one time I felt wrongfully accused (and people were saying some stuff that plainly wasn't so) and I got a BIT defensive at first (anyone would), until I realize where they (ok some of them) were coming and simply explained myself and showed them otherwise.

I didn't start an agruement, I said I assumed you were a byb, you rarely post, but some have been about you being a breeder and your pups, thats how I assumed and I was being honest that I always thought thats what you were whether I was right or wrong. I didn't attack your credibility with my post. It appeared to me that you were one of the people who breed their pets, me thinking that is an attack?
Why do I need those pics to prove how much I love my dogs? That seems a bit what did you say retardioulogistic to me. Anyway I like someday and they are responsible and they are an outdoorsy person who takes their dogs on many hikes and likes to be outside in the yard all the time and things like that (I assume because I don't know them), I also assume that they have verbal control over Annie on walks and they also make sure that she doesn't cause any trouble and I think when they go in populated areas they are responsible and obey the LEASH LAWS. But I'm just assuming. Well you and her are the only resposible ones since no one else has their dogs running free, at least not in the pics. You are only a animal lover if you post pics of you dogs running free, I'm sorry I forgot this rule. No one said you were making that up about my dogs, everyone has seen the pics of my dogs b/c I've posted them on the forum, many of the same ones on the site. I guess you failed to see Boudreaux 60 dogs living on chains in barrels. And yup they sure do love that treadmill, I never knew excersizing your bully was harmful, so bad and means you don't love animals, for some reason I always thought it was positive. I welcome the department of agriculte, AC, and kennel inspection to come for a visit. Its very good because they can meet good bullies and make it less hard on everyone when people try to start BS over people owning vicious pit bulls or fighting dogs. Its great to keep this community pit bull friendly and I'll keep fighting for that.
Yes just like yourself there goes that ego again, you are all knowing, best breeder and super responsible. Basically you trying to talk yourself up and put others down proves nothing in your favor. Since I know my dogs are above just nice for the most part, because I prove it, and besides unlike some I don't post pics to see many people can tell me they are nice, I'm not trying towin "who has the nices dogs on the forum contest. SPRINGPOLE. Why do you have this dog fighting equiptment? More negatives for our breed.

Well I'm getting off now, its already 5am and I have to "get up" early and tend to my poor dogs, gracious the starved, pound dog in my sig needs attention immediatly. So I gotta go quick.

 

True_Pits I totally agree with you on everything there.

I would like to know what makes him think he can pull you or your dogs to bits well i will gladly sit here and say you have some beautiful dogs that are well loved cared for and very well socialised.

If you want to see a great owner look at True_pits, Her main priority is to make sure her dogs are wll looked after, We have all seen the pictures of her dogs, we have all seen her dogs playing with other dogs.

As she pointed out a well socialised dog is a none dog,or people aggressive.

So please back off and stop jumping on people Matt.

I am having this post closed as its getting out of hand this is all way off the main topic.

Mike