Perhaps I should have read the entire thread, but figured it was more 'debate' on what makes a dog trim or massive, which is the "correct" structure of an APBT, etc. I agree that opinions differ, and I can agree to disagree, but I did take exception to your 'tone', if you will. At the time that I posted those responses: #1 - I thought you were a bull-headed person and my point would not get across no matter how I worded it, and #2 - I just plain didn't care if I offended you, because again - I didn't like your tone. It was a somewhat heated debate, and now it's over. You like your pits to be more bully looking, I don't. And that's that.